Weekend Edition: The Tasman Divide
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Why are Australia and New Zealand on such different economic trajectories?
Australia and New Zealand similar in many ways, but economies that seem to be on different trajectories. Why is that? And what role have central bank policies had to play in this? And what's the outlook for each of them? We compare and contrast Australia and New Zealand this week. The morning call from NAB with Phil Dobby. So two sides of the Tasman, obviously two very different countries, uh filled with fantastic people, of course, and tucked away from the rest of the world. But two very different economies, more so now than ever, it seems. New Zealand obviously exports a lot of dairy and other agricultural products. Australia is very good at digging stuff up and shipping it out. New Zealand is struggling with GDP growth.
Australia is perhaps struggling a bit more with inflation, and yet the rates set by the RBNZ is a whole one point one percent below the RBA. And one, obviously, as we've just experienced recently, is is better rugby than the other side. So uh let's uh but you know, this weekend we'll uh we'll we'll be a telling tale on that. But let's let's compare and contrast those two countries. Doug Seal is a senior economist at BNZ Markets in Wellington. Garth Spence is head of Australian economics at NAB in Melbourne. Um first of all, uh Doug, I hope you're impressed by the way I said Wellington with
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One economy seems quite resilient with a central bank that's in no rush. The other one, yours, uh heaps of spare capacity, slow growth, a central bank that might actually go further than it has already. Is that about the shape of it?
Yeah, it's certainly div difficult business conditions in New Zealand. It has been for some time. We've been calling it the ri rolling recession for for essentially three years now. Uh so previous monetary tightening, uh we've got uh pressure on cost of business, uh company failures, we've got rising unemployment, uh the price level is squeezing consumers and we've had a a quite a sharp slowdown in net migration. So that all adds up to weak activity. Uh we've got I think real GDP per capita is five percent below the peak it was in twenty twenty two. So it's uh it it's quite tough in New Zealand at the moment. Right. So uh
I mean if you can answer this succinctly, it's going to be a very short podcast. Why is that?
Well yeah, there's there's many things going on. Uh I I think that that previous monetary policy tightening uh to get rid of the inflation burst that we had post COVID, inflation peaked at about seven percent. So that was always going to hurt uh and it has. Uh we took the cash rate uh up a long way. We took took it up to uh five and a half percent. That's now coming down the other side of course, but uh that monetary Heightening. We also had that sharp outflow of people, not on net, but if you look back a couple of years, we had nearly a hundred odd thousand people coming into New Zealand, which is enormous. So we had population growth of nearly three percent. If you look at it today, it's more like 0.7.
So quite a slowdown in population growth, uh, you know, and that squeeze on control. tumors. That that that's really um the the nub of it.
Yeah. So Gareth, I mean, one thing we've seen lately in both countries is rising unemployment.
What is driving New Zealand’s three‑year rolling recession?
I mean lots of people in New Zealand obviously would like to work full time and can't, so they've got that whole capacity issue there. But in both countries, um, you know, unemployment looks like it could be rising. I mean th that is a sign surely that things could be slowing down on both sides of the Tasman, isn't it?
Yeah, thanks, Phil. Um I think that's broadly right. I mean, I think we know that the unemployment rate in Australia has kind of trended up a little bit through this year. The picture's a little bit difficult uh at the moment with the latest monthly data, as as you kind of know, with that that volatile sort of spike and we'll see where that goes. But I think ultimately, you know, that that's right. We kind of troughed at about three point four percent uh in in twenty twenty two.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why are Australia and New Zealand on such different economic trajectories?
0:01–3:19
2
What is driving New Zealand’s three‑year rolling recession?
3:19–6:42
3
How are rising unemployment and weak domestic demand affecting both economies?
6:42–10:13
4
What role do population growth and migration play in Australia’s economic outlook?
10:13–13:51
5
How are housing prices and mortgage rates influencing consumer confidence?
13:51–18:08
6
Why is productivity stagnant in both countries and can it be revived?
18:08–22:04
7
How are the RBNZ and RBA’s monetary policies diverging and what impact does that have?
22:04–26:57
8
Is stagflation a risk for Australia or New Zealand and what could trigger it?
26:57–33:28