When Hawks Fly

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Why are the ECB’s Isabel Schnabel and BOJ Governor Ueda being described as “hawks turned doves”?

Phil Dobbie 0:01
Well, two hawks have suddenly had a change of heart. The ECB's Isabel Schnabel is one of them because of the economic headwinds they face in Europe. So does that make a cut from the ECB this month a full gone certainty? And the other one is Governor Ueda from the Bank of Japan, the independent Bank of Japan. The yen suffered a bit of a fall today. And then there's the war, of course. Well, that's all forgotten now. It's Thursday, it's the third of October 2024. It's the morning call from NAB. Morning. Well, the US dollar is back up. It's climbing naught point four percent on the DXY. The Aussie is up less than naught point one percent at sixty eight point nine US cents. The euro is down naught point two percent, the pound down a little less than that.
Phil Dobbie 0:42
The yen, wait for it down by two percent. We'll explain why in a moment. Stocks are back up, uh, but not a lot. In fact the S P, the Dow and the Nasdaq all in the green at close, but all up low. Less than naught point one percent. So flat would be another word for it. And the Russell two thousand is in the red red, but again down by less than naught point one percent. So flat across the board, really.

How is the recent yen depreciation linked to the perceived loss of BOJ independence?

Phil Dobbie 1:04
It's a similar story in Europe, well not big moves anyway, for the uh stock market over there. The Eurostocks fifty is up about nort point two percent, but the DAX is down a quarter percent. And back in the US, the VIX index uh still quite elevated at around eighteen point eight. Although, you know, to give it some context, it was in the twenties, low twenties a month ago. And bond yields are bouncing back up five basis points for ten year treasuries. The yields on German ten year bunds are also up five basis points, up nine for UK ten year guilts. Aussie ten years were down six basis points yesterday to three point nine five percent, a few basis points higher than that now on futures. And oil, while it's not back down, it's one point six percent higher for
Phil Dobbie 1:44
WTI and one and a half percent higher for Brent. Brent now at seventy four seventy, but spot gold is down a little bit. So our market's not too concerned about the war. It looks like that, doesn't it? Even though Israel has said in no uncertain terms they will retaliate and Iran has said, Well if you retaliate, we'll retaliate back again. Well Nabs Ray actually is with me. So is it a bit premature to unw this unwind that we're seeing going on? 'Cause you know Or is it just that markets don't know how to react, or is it just seen as this is a regional dispute that doesn't really have any material impact on the on the broader markets?
Ray Attrill 2:18
All of the all of the above, Phil. Good morning. But uh I think that um, you know, as you were discussing with Sky yesterday, and uh one of the points I've made is that markets are inherently uh bad at trying to price tail risks. That tail risk obviously being uh a a s a significant escalation uh into all out war between um Iran and Israel. Um it's uh you know, those events are things which markets deal with as and when, and in the meantime Um, you know, we saw uh obviously a minor risk off move yesterday, but uh we haven't had the sort of the news stories that would uh that would provoke a a bigger reaction.

What’s driving today’s mixed market moves – US dollar, equities, bonds and commodities?

Ray Attrill 2:52
So I think Mark is just they're aware of it, but uh they're back to they they're sticking to their knitting I think, which is back focusing on uh economic fundamentals.
Phil Dobbie 3:00
So uh yeah, so let's look at that knitting then. And uh one of those uh one of those numbers, one of those economic numbers, uh is a number that's out every month, and every month we say, you know, the markets don't really pay too much attention to this and then they come out, if it's a bit of a surprise they do. And it's the ADP numbers I'm talking about. And there was a market reaction to this. So one hundred and forty three thousand new jobs in September, up from one hundred and three thousand the the month before. Uh that increase was almost double what was expected. Uh and uh yeah, we did see a a move in yields.
Ray Attrill 3:29
Didn't we? No, we have. I have a look at uh two year Treasury yields are up or three basis points and tens are up uh five basis points on the last twenty four hours.

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