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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
You're listening to NASA's Curious Universe. I'm your host, Jacob Pinter. February 18th, 2021 was a nail-biter of a day at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in California. More than 140 million miles away, a capsule was hurtling through the atmosphere of another planet. Packed inside was a nuclear-powered, car-sized, six-wheeled rover called Perseverance.
Thousands of NASA engineers had spent years designing and building this thing. The spacecraft had to withstand the long journey to the Martian surface, and then the rover inside had to survive the harsh environment there. Katie Stack Morgan is the project scientist for the Perseverance Mars rover.
Chapter 2: What were the challenges faced during Perseverance's landing on Mars?
So she was one of the folks doing the nail biting.
I was watching the landing from my living room in my kitchen. And we were actually on line with our science team because we weren't allowed to co-locate because this was during COVID. And so I was watching it on the TV. I was watching my computer, looking at our team members and my family was around me.
Now, Katie had watched a Mars landing before for the Curiosity rover, which touched down in 2012, but that one felt different.
I was a happy-go-lucky grad student back then. I was just in it for the ride, and I was enjoying, you know, all of the fanfare surrounding a rover landing.
This time, she was one of the scientists in charge of all the research this rover would do on Mars for years to come. And for that to happen, first, it had to land safely.
I very much felt like my career was dependent on this successful landing. I had kids now. My family was depending on this rover to land. And so the stakes felt much higher.
This phase of a Mars mission is called Entry, Descent, and Landing, or EDL. But it has another name, the seven minutes of terror. That's because in the seven minutes it takes to reach the planet's surface from orbit, a lot has to go just right. And with the time delay between Earth and Mars, you can't control what's happening in real time.
All you can do is watch and wait and hope the spacecraft does exactly what you programmed it to do. Fortunately, spoiler alert,
As Katie watched from Earth, orange and white parachutes billowed up above the capsule.
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Chapter 3: How has Perseverance contributed to the search for ancient life on Mars?
There's a tradition at JPL. To make working the long, hard hours of Mars time a little sweeter, Mission Control has a chest full of ice cream. So some of Katie's colleagues improvised the pandemic version. They had ice cream delivered to her front door. Now it's time for us to get down to business. Through the Artemis program, NASA is sending humans to the moon. NASA's building a moon base.
And one day, astronauts will walk on Mars. Landing humans on Mars is a hard goal. It doesn't happen all at once. NASA science has been laying the groundwork for human exploration for years. And Katie says perseverance is one step on that path.
Robots are great because they can test things out ahead of time. They can decrease the risk, and there is a lot of risk to sending humans to another planet. And so our robotic explorers can help reduce the risks for human explorers
Along with its science goals, which we'll get into, Perseverance is exploring Mars before humans get there and testing technologies that will need to stay alive on the planet. Mars is one of humanity's prime targets in the search for life beyond Earth. In fact, Perseverance's main goal is to find evidence of ancient life on Mars.
Perseverance has spent more than five years exploring Mars, first in Jezero crater, and now after a long and arduous climb along the crater's northern rim. We're going to spend some time talking about this place, Jezero, because it is particularly important to the search for life. Some three and a half billion years ago, a river of liquid water flowed through it.
It carved out a canyon and formed a river delta. Now today, Mars has no liquid water, although there is some water frozen in ice caps. And it has no life. But Mars was once habitable, which means we could find evidence of tiny microbial life that has long since died off. Kind of like how we find fossils of ancient seabed creatures on Earth.
Perseverance has made some major discoveries in that search for life over the years. And the rover also brought along another explorer, Ingenuity, the first aircraft to ever fly on another planet. So today we're catching up with Perseverance, what the rover's been up to and what's next. And to help us do that, we have producer Christian Elliott. Christian, where do we even start?
Hey, Jacob. Well, let's start with Katie. She's our guide today for all things Mars. She first got interested in the red planet back in grad school. Before that, she studied Earth.
Mars has so many similarities to Earth, especially Mars billions of years ago, we think was quite similar to Earth. But it has taken a very different path than Earth. Mars was once habitable. It's not anymore. It's cold and dry. But yet it has this fascinating rock record that tells us that Mars was once very Earth-like.
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Chapter 4: What unique features of Jezero Crater make it significant for exploration?
I am glad I'm forgiven because I was certainly not familiar with Vivianite. It's an iron phosphate mineral. It can form when you have iron from rocks combined with water and organic compounds. That's cool, but the headline here...
When you find Vivianite on Earth, sometimes you find it associated with decaying organic matter here on Earth, and so involved in life and associated with microbial activity.
Okay, so I can feel we're taking baby steps to the big question. We're taking baby steps. Was there life on Mars, Christian?
I cannot give you a solid answer to that, Jacob. But I will say they found these poppy seeds. Then they drove a bit further where they found these even bigger features that they named leopard spots.
And we call them leopard spots because they really look like leopard spots. We have this red rock and these small features, they're round, that have dark gray rims and then kind of a bleached white inner center.
These are also rings of iron phosphate, and they can form through chemical reactions
But one of the reasons why we think life might have been involved in the formation of these features is because the particular minerals involved in these reactions, they tend to form most easily either at really high temperatures or with life to help those reactions move along. And based on what we know about these rocks, we don't necessarily think that they experienced really high temperatures.
So if you can't explain these minerals with heat, One of the most reasonable alternative explanations is life. And we're not sure that life was there. You know, that's still a question. And that's why we call these features potential biosignatures. And the potential is doing a lot of work here.
But this is probably the first time that we've really had life as a truly compelling alternative hypothesis and one that is really worthy of consideration.
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Chapter 5: What discoveries has Perseverance made in its search for life?
And that means that they are most likely younger than the formation of the crater itself. But we've now transitioned to exploring the crater rim of Jezero and the rocks even beyond the crater rim. And so these rocks are older than the formation of Jezero. And these really old rocks are probably amongst the oldest rocks in the solar system.
And that's really cool because these rocks can tell us about not only the early history of Mars, but also the early history of the solar system.
I'm just going to say that again for emphasis. Some of the oldest rocks in the solar system. There aren't that many places we can find four-plus-billion-year-old rocks that help us understand how the solar system itself formed. We definitely can't study that period of time on Earth because we've got plate tectonics here that's constantly shuffling up the rocks, recycling Earth's crust.
So we're exploring a period of solar system history that just simply isn't studyable on our own planet. And we're doing that with the Perseverance rover.
So there was one more question that Christian, I know you and I both had before we started working on this episode. You know, I've seen people not in NASA, but in the public called Perseverance Percy. Sometimes people call Ingenuity Ginny. I mean, people love these robots and have anthropomorphized them for years.
You know, they pretend they're humans or cartoon characters or something with like feelings and things like that. I just wonder how the science team feels about all that and the way people react.
Yeah, to add one more anecdote, I remember the Opportunity Rover's final message to NASA, which it sent during a planetary dust storm. It was translated as, my battery is low and it's getting dark. And I remember people crying real tears for Opportunity, or Oppie. The science team sent the rover the Billie Holiday song, I'll Be Seeing You, on its final day.
Yet people just really care about these robots, and the science team does too.
I'll take you back to Curiosity, because this is the first time I realized I had feelings for a rover.
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