Brian Epstein, “The Ant Trap: Rebuilding the Foundations of the Social Sciences” (Oxford UP, 2015)
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What is the central thesis of Brian Epstein’s *The Ant Trap*?
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Hello and welcome to New Books and Philosophy, a podcast channel with the New Books Network. I'm Carrie Figtor, Associate Professor of Philosophy at the University of Iowa. I'm co host of the channel along with Robert Talise, Professor of Philosophy at Vanderbilt University. Together we bring you conversations with philosophers about their new books drawing from a wide range of areas of contemporary philosophical inquiry. Today's interview is with Brian Epstein, Assistant Professor of Philosophy at Tufts University. His new book The Ant Trap Rebuilding the Foundations of the Social Sciences is just out from Oxford University Press. The social sciences are about social entities, things like corporations and traffic jams, mobs and money, parents and war criminals.
What is a social entity and what makes something a social entity? Traditional views hold that these things can be fully explained by facts about people, either their bodies, their attitudes, or some combination of these. Epstein argues that such a view of social facts is untenably anthropocentric. Social facts supervene on much more than just people. His model distinguishes between two kinds of questions that a theory of social ontology must answer. When are the social categories realized or what grounds a social fact, such as when is someone a war criminal? And what explains how these categories get established or what anchors the category? Epstein also uses his model to provide a fresh analysis of group action and group intention.
How does Epstein define a social entity and why does he reject the purely anthropocentric view?
On his view, groups are constituted by individuals but are grounded in facts about more than just people. Group group action is not exhausted by the actions of members. And group intention depends on more than member attitudes. Let's turn to the interview. Hello, Brian Epstein, are you there? Hi, yes I am. Hi, welcome to New Books in Philosophy.
Thank you. I'm delighted to be here. Looking forward to talking with you.
Uh great. Well your your book, The Ant Trap Rebuilding the Foundations of the Social Sciences is It's full of lots of very interesting insights and provocative comments, not the least of which is the claim that the at least as the social sciences have been articulated or the foundations have been articulated. uh in prior theories they're a bit too anthropocentric, which is you know kind of interesting. Um So before we get into the actual uh material of the book, maybe you can tell us how you got to philosophy in general.
Oh, sure. So I uh studied philosophy as an undergraduate, but I think like a lot of people, I didn't start out in philosophy. I kind of discovered it when I was there. Um I started out in science and in physics and math mostly. Um but pretty quickly I found uh, like a lot of people do, that that's not where they're kind of asking the most fundamental questions, which is what I was really interested in.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the central thesis of Brian Epstein’s *The Ant Trap*?
0:00–3:07
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How does Epstein define a social entity and why does he reject the purely anthropocentric view?
3:07–12:27
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What are the two fundamental questions a theory of social ontology must answer—grounding and anchoring?
12:27–25:14
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How does the “consensus view” differ from the “standard (Searle) model” of social facts?
25:14–37:54
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What is the grounding‑and‑anchoring model and how does it explain the building blocks of social facts?
37:54–49:58
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How does the kosher‑pig example illustrate the difference between grounds and anchors of a social category?
49:58–1:00:27
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What does the model say about group intentions, corporate action, and the role of non‑individualistic factors?
1:00:27–1:07:03
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What are the implications of Epstein’s theory for future research on institutions and social science modeling?
1:07:03–1:10:25
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