Chad Engelland, “Ostension: Word Learning and the Embodied Mind” (MIT Press, 2015)
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Hello and welcome to New Books and Philosophy, a podcast channel with the New Books Network. I'm Carrie Figdur, Associate Professor of Philosophy at the University of Iowa. And I'm co host of the channel along with Robert Talise, professor of philosophy at Vanderbilt University. Together we bring you conversations with philosophers about their new books, drawing from a wide range of areas of contemporary philosophical inquiry. Today's interview is with Chad Engeland, Assistant Professor of Philosophy at the University of Dallas. His new book, Ostention, Word Learning and the Embodied Mind, is just out from the MIT Press. How do we learn our first words? What is it that makes the linguistic intentions of others manifest to us when our eyes follow a pointing finger to an object and associate that object with a word?
Engelin addresses these and related questions in his exploration of the way in which estension crosses the Cartesian boundary between body and mind. Drawing on historical and contemporary figures and continental and analytic traditions. He defends an embodied view of ostention in which we directly perceive intentions in ostention rather than infer to them. He also gives an account of how we are able to disambiguate gestures through the joint presence of objects in a shared environment. Let's turn to the interview. Hello, Chad Englund, are you there? I sure am. Hi, welcome to New Books in Philosophy.
Well, it's very good to be here. Thank you so much for having me.
Uh well I'm very uh excited to be talking about your new book, Austention, uh Word Learning and the Embodied Mind. Um and it's a really uh a really fascinating exploration of the nature of of gesture, of meaningful movement, um embodied movements that have particular meanings. And it's it's interesting in a lot of ways because you not only you know, draw on uh a a very wide range of historical figures, you know, Wittgenstein, uh Augustine, uh Aristotle and Merleau Ponty from you know a variety of different um uh philosophical traditions, um but you also sort of draw it together at the end to give your own uh view of ostention, um in a much more modern way that that connects with people uh uh arguing for uh embodied cognition in a more general sense.
Um so before we get into the details of the book, um maybe you can say a word about your background as as a philosopher, how you came to philosophy, and um how you came to write this particular book.
Oh, okay. Be happy to do so. Well, uh my first exposure to philosophy happened when my older sister came back from college and she had um would bring her intro to philosophy text. So I was reading some Plato and Aristotle in high school, initially very excited and then soon, like uh many people first exposure to philosophy, you grow disappointed because what do you find?
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What is the opening sponsorship and why is “What’s Your Map” mentioned?
0:00–8:04
2
How does the episode introduce Chad Engelland’s book *Ostension* and its central questions?
8:04–12:20
3
What personal and academic background does Chad Engelland share before discussing his book?
12:20–25:57
4
Why does Engelland focus on a pointing gesture from his infant and what insight does it give about word learning?
25:57–45:17
5
How does Engelland define “ostention” and differentiate it from ostensive definition?
45:17–1:02:05
Speakers
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