Corey Brettschneider, “When the State Speaks, What Should it Say? How Democracies can Protect Expression and Promote Equality” (Princeton UP, 2012)
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What is the central dilemma about free expression and equality that the episode introduces?
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Welcome to the New Books and Philosophy channel of the New Books Network. My name is Robert Talese. I am professor of philosophy at Vanderbilt University, and I co-host the channel with Carrie Figter. Today, My guest is Professor Corey Bretschneider. We'll be talking about his new book, When the State Speaks, What Should It Say? How Democracies Can Protect Expression and Promote Equality, which was just published with Princeton University Press. Corey is professor of political science and professor of philosophy at Brown University. Liberal democracies are in the business of protecting individuals and their rights. Central among these are rights to free expression, freedom of association, and freedom of conscience.
In exercising these rights, some citizens will come to hold beliefs and viewpoints that are fundamentally at odds with the core values of a liberal democracy. That is, in a free society, some citizens will come to endorse views which reject the ideal of a society of free and equal citizens. Now, such cases seem to put the liberal democratic state in a bind. It must permit citizens to adopt and express illiberal and anti-democratic viewpoints or else violate its commitment to the core freedoms it claims to prize. Yet the spread of such viewpoints, and sometimes even their very expression, can violate the rights of other citizens and undermine the stability of a democratic society. So what should the state do?
In his new book, Cory Brettschneider proposes a view he calls value democracy to address this kind of quandary. He claims that although the democratic state must permit the adoption and expression of even hateful views, it nonetheless can object to and criticize them. That is, Brettschneider makes a case for thinking that the state is permitted to, and in some contexts must, employ its expressive power to combat hateful viewpoints. This book hence addresses fundamental philosophical questions concerning free speech, equality, liberty, and the authority of the democratic state. So let's turn to the interview. Hello, Corey Bretschneider.
Hi, Bob. It's a pleasure to talk to you.
How are you doing this morning?
Good. Great. Great. Looking forward to this discussion.
Great. Well, thank you for joining us today on New Books and Philosophy. My guest is Corey Bretschneider, author of the new book, When the State Speaks, What Should It Say? How Democracies Can Protect Expression and Promote Equality. Corey's book, has just been published by Princeton University Press. Now, this is a relatively short book that takes up some very big questions concerning the role of the democratic state in promoting and defending the basic values of a democratic society. Brett Schneider argues that in addition to its coercive power, the state wields expressive power and that this distinctive kind of power must be exercised
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Chapters
3 chapters
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What is the central dilemma about free expression and equality that the episode introduces?
0:00–22:34
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What is “value democracy” and how does it propose the state can both protect and criticize hateful speech?
22:34–39:41
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How does Corey Brettschneider’s personal academic journey shape his view on political philosophy?
39:41–1:10:19
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