Elizabeth Anderson, “The Imperative of Integration” (Princeton UP, 2010)

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Robert Talisse 1:21
Welcome to the New Books and Philosophy channel of the New Books Network. My name is Robert Talise and I am co host of the channel along with Carrie Figor. Today, my guest is Professor Elizabeth Anderson. We will be talking about her new book, The Imperative of Integration, which was published this year with Princeton University Press. Elizabeth Anderson is Arthur F.

What empirical statistics does Anderson present to show the extent of racial segregation in the United States?

Robert Talisse 1:43
Thurneau Professor and John Rawls Collegiate Professor of Philosophy and Women's Studies at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor. Consider the following facts. In the United States, African American men are ten point nine times as likely as white men to die of homicide. Of white owned firms in major metropolitan areas in the US with substantial African American populations. Fifty eight percent have no minority employees. The infant mortality rate among African Americans is nearly twice the US average. And it's growing. The median African American household income is two thirds that of the median white household. The unemployment rate among African Americans is twice that of whites. African American men are imprisoned at a rate that is six point five times higher.
Robert Talisse 2:43
than that of white men. African Americans are worse off than The average American and worse off than whites on virtually all major objective measures of well being. Now these facts indicate that the United States is a de facto segregated society.

Why does Anderson argue that these facts reveal a democratic failure?

Robert Talisse 3:04
And I think this should occasion, at the very least, Serious concern. But there is a philosophical question regarding the nature of the concern that these facts should occasion. Do these facts merely reveal an unfortunate truth about our society? Are they signals of the inefficiency of government policies? Do they prove that the US is a fundamentally racist society? More generally. What kind of bad is de facto segregation. Now consider a further fact.

How does the book link residential and institutional segregation to broader democratic problems?

Robert Talisse 3:39
More than ninety percent of Americans attend a church in which their ethnoracial group is at least eighty percent of the congregation. In the imperative of integration, Elizabeth Anderson argues that de facto segregation is a mark of a democratic failure. A failure of our society to live up to its own ideals of freedom, equality, and justice. Accordingly, she argues that it is an error to think of these matters. in terms of the merely the redistribution of goods. The problems associated with race in the United States are, according to Anderson, democratic problems associated with a failure to extend social membership. To all citizens. Combining acute empirical analysis With what I regard as top notch philosophical theorizing.
Robert Talisse 4:33
Anderson makes a compelling case for radically rethinking freedom, equality, and justice in a democratic society.

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