Eric Schwitzgebel, “Perplexities of Consciousness” (MIT Press, 2011)
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What is Eric Schwitzgebel’s main argument about our knowledge of conscious experience?
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the New Books and Philosophy channel of the New Books Network. My name is Carrie Figdor, and I'm co-host of the channel along with Robert Talese. In our bi-monthly podcasts, we'll be discussing with philosophers their new ideas as expressed in their newly published books. Today's inaugural podcast features Professor Eric Schwitzgabel of the University of California at Riverside. Professor Schwitzgabel's new book is Perplexities of Consciousness from the MIT Press. The perplexities he considers begin with asking simple questions. For example, do we dream in color or in black and white? Or when you look at a penny from an angle, does it look round or elliptical? Eric argues for skepticism regarding the reliability of our reports about the contents of our conscious perceptual experiences.
We're accustomed to doubting our abilities to assess our personality traits, our motivations, our implicit beliefs and desires, and so on. But as Eric puts it, quote, it's one thing not to know why you chose a particular pair of socks, and quite another to be unable accurately to determine your currently ongoing visual experience as you look at those socks, your auditory experience as an interviewer poses a question, or the experience of pain in your back that is making you want to sit down, unquote. So without further ado, let our interview begin. So I'm with Eric Schwitzgabel from University of California, Riverside. Eric, are you there?
I'm here.
Hi, welcome to New Books and Philosophy.
Thanks for having me, Kerry.
Thank you for taking the time to talk with us about perplexities of consciousness. I'm a little worried about your skepticism about your ability to determine your auditory experience as an interviewer poses a question. But let me just hope for the best. And I'll begin by asking you to tell us a little bit about your background and your interest in the sorts of questions you examine in this book.
So I got my PhD from UC Berkeley in 1997. And most of my work at that time was on, or my dissertation was on, connections between developmental psychology and philosophy of science and philosophy of mind. And I got interested in the question of how well children know their own minds. And I was very influenced by Alison Gopnik and John Flavel, who were at Berkeley and Stanford. who thought that children had very poor knowledge of their own stream of experience and their own beliefs and desires, and generally had very poor theories of mind. So one of the things that I got interested in as a result of that was the extent to which adults have substantially better knowledge of their stream of experience.
I guess that was kind of what launched me into this.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is Eric Schwitzgebel’s main argument about our knowledge of conscious experience?
0:00–5:53
2
How did Schwitzgebel’s early work on children’s self‑knowledge shape his skepticism?
5:53–15:03
3
Do we really dream in color or black‑and‑white, and what does the evidence show?
15:03–27:56
4
Why might a tilted penny appear elliptical, and how does media analogy affect this judgment?
27:56–41:19
5
What do experiments on children’s reports of thoughts reveal about introspective accuracy?
41:19–53:09
6
How reliable are self‑reports of mental imagery, and what role do analogies to pictures play?
53:09–1:00:07
7
Why does Schwitzgebel consider theories of neural correlates of consciousness to be question‑begging?
1:00:07–1:02:41
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