Helen de Cruz and Johan de Smedt, “A Natural History of Natural Theology” (MIT Press, 2015)
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What is the main focus of this episode on natural theology?
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Hello, and welcome to New Books and Philosophy, a podcast channel with the New Books Network. I'm Carrie Figdor, Associate Professor of Philosophy at the University of Iowa. And I'm co-host of the channel along with Robert Talese, Professor of Philosophy at Vanderbilt University. Together, we bring you conversations with philosophers about their new books, drawing from a wide range of areas of contemporary philosophical inquiry. Today's interview is with Helen de Cruz, Assistant Professor of Philosophy at VU University Amsterdam. Her new book, with co-author Johan de Smet of Ghent University, is A Natural History of Natural Theology, The Cognitive Science of Theology and Philosophy of Religion, which is just out from the MIT Press.
Natural theology involves attempts to rationally justify religious belief based on reasoning about experience. The world appears to exhibit order or design, and so, the design argument goes, we are justified in concluding that there must be a divine designer. But what are the cognitive bases of this and other arguments in natural theology? And will revealing the cognitive processes behind these arguments show them to be unjustified or irrational? In their new book, de Cruz and de Smet examine how findings of the cognitive sciences can and cannot be used to draw conclusions about the rationality of religious belief. By examining well-known arguments for the existence of God from the cognitive scientific perspective, they expose the general features of human reasoning that are at work about cause and effect, about agency, about inference to the best explanation, and so on.
They also consider whether theism provides a good reason for the pervasiveness of religious belief across human societies across time. And they argue that the seemingly obvious conclusion that a naturalistic explanation of religious beliefs debunks those beliefs is not at all obvious. Let's turn to the interview. Hello, Helen DeCruz, are you there? Yes, I am. Hello, Clary. Hi, welcome to New Books and Philosophy. I'm very happy to be here, and I'm excited to talk about our book. As I mentioned in the introduction, this is a book... natural theology and how cognitive science may or may not you know change natural theology but at least how recent research into our cognitive processes might you know certainly will inform
and illuminate certain aspects of natural theology and in particular the various arguments for the existence of God that you trace in the book. So to begin, maybe you can say a little bit about your background as a philosopher and how you got to this particular area and the genesis of the book itself.
So about my background as a philosopher, I actually didn't start out majoring in philosophy.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main focus of this episode on natural theology?
0:00–8:09
2
How do Helen de Cruz and Johan de Smedt define natural theology?
8:09–15:39
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What cognitive processes underlie arguments for God’s existence?
15:39–22:50
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How did Helen de Cruz’s academic background lead to her work on natural theology?
22:50–30:00
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Why do design arguments appear across cultures and throughout history?
30:00–38:21
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How do teleological intuitions and the design stance support the design argument?
38:21–48:09
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What cognitive intuitions drive the cosmological argument for God?
48:09–56:59
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How do emotions like awe influence natural theology and future research?
56:59–1:02:45
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