Krista K. Thomason, "Dancing with the Devil: Why Bad Feelings Make Life Good" (Oxford UP, 2023)
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What is Krista Thomason’s main argument about “bad” emotions in a good life?
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Hello and welcome to New Books in Philosophy, a podcast channel with the New Books Network. I'm Carrie Figdore, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Iowa. And I'm co-host of the channel along with Robert Talise, Sarah Tyson, and Malcolm Keating. Together we bring you conversations with philosophers about their new books in a wide range of areas of contemporary philosophical inquiry. Today's interview is with Krista Thomason, Associate Professor of Philosophy at Swarthmore College. Her new book, Dancing with the Devil Why Bad Feelings Make Life Good, is just out from Oxford University Press. How could a good life include one with anger or jealousy or spite? In her book, Thomason flips the script on popular ways of dealing with our emotions, including neostoicism, mindfulness, and even the prosperity gospel.
She makes the case that we should get rid of the double standard we have towards good and bad emotions, and that we should not aim to be emotional saints. Instead, because bad emotions are an essential part of our attachments to ourselves, they help us discover what we care about and what Thomason guides the reader through philosophical traditions regarding the relation of emotion to reason and the various approaches thinkers have come up with to deal with our bad emotions. Let's turn to the interview. Uh hello, Krista Thomason. Welcome to New Books in Philosophy. Hi, thank you so much for having me. Uh this should be a very fun um uh interview, um because you're giving a you know, a kind of an interesting twist on the sort of traditional introductory
Introductory course question of, you know, what is a good life? You know, what is the meaning of life? Um Well, you're kind of flipping the script on how we should Think about our so called bad emotions and and the place of these emotions. Uh in a good life. Yeah. So I wanna I you know, before we get to this, I mean, how did you get here? Get a question. And then, you know, how did you get to write this book about, you know, defending the so called bad emotions?
Yeah, sure. So uh I always joke with my students that I didn't find philosophy. Philosophy found me. Um, I had gone into undergraduate thinking that I was gonna be a theater major because that's what I had done all through high school and I really loved it. And that's actually how I picked my undergraduate institution. I went to the University of North Carolina at Greensboro, which has a really strong arts program. And uh I had sort of two things happen to me. One, I started all of my theater classes in my freshman semester. And I decided I actually hated it. I hated all of the people I was in classes with. I hated my schedule. I hated everything. Um, and I had also uh completely on a whim taken an intro to philosophy course because I did not know what philosophy was.
I had not been exposed to it in high school. And I I was like, what's this thing? I don't know what this is. I'm gonna take this class. And I had started to fall head over heels in love with it because I I was like, oh my gosh, here is this group of people that is asking all of the big life questions that I feel like have plagued me since I could remember. And I it felt very I felt very at home in philosophy. Uh and so then the end of my freshman year came and it it was time to sort of, you know, make the decision. And I thought, you know, I really can't do this theater thing for this these four years. This is making me miserable. And I thought, well, what's the only other thing I've loved that I I loved as much as theater?
And it was philosophy. And so I thought, well, let me just take some more philosophy classes and see how it goes. Uh and my experiences were fabulous. And I just kept loving it. And I thought, okay, this is this is what I'm gonna major in. This is the thing I'm gonna do. So I switched in philosophy. Um I had no designs to be a PhD or go to graduate school. So I'm I'm I'm a first generation college student. Neither of my parents had gone to college. So I kind of didn't think, you know, graduate school was a thing people did.
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Chapters
4 chapters
1
What is Krista Thomason’s main argument about “bad” emotions in a good life?
0:01–9:45
2
How did Thomason’s personal journey lead her to write *Dancing with the Devil*?
9:45–29:05
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Why does Thomason replace the common “weed” metaphor with the “worm” metaphor for negative emotions?
29:05–45:15
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What is the “double‑standard” between positive and negative emotions that the book critiques?
45:15–57:02
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