Margaret Morrison, “Reconstructing Reality: Models, Mathematics, and Simulations” (Oxford UP, 2015)

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What is the central thesis of Margaret Morrison’s book on models, mathematics, and simulations?

Carrie Figdor 0:09
Hello and welcome to New Books in Philosophy, a podcast channel with the New Books Network. I'm Carrie Figdore, Associate Professor of Philosophy at the University of Iowa. And I'm co host of the channel along with Robert Talise, Professor of Philosophy at Vanderbilt University. Together we bring you conversations with philosophers about their new books, drawing from a wide range of areas of contemporary philosophical inquiry. Today's interview is with Margaret Morrison, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Toronto. Her new book Reconstructing Reality Models, Mathematics, and Simulations is is just out from Oxford University Press. Almost four hundred years ago Galileo wrote that the book of nature is written in the language of mathematics.
Carrie Figdor 0:59
Today mathematics is integral to physics and chemistry and is becoming so in biology, economics, and other sciences, although amid great controversy. The messy reality of biological creatures and their social relations cannot be captured in mathematical models or computer simulations, or so it is argued that But what is the relation between mathematics and physical reality? Do highly abstract mathematical formalisms and computer simulations yield empirical knowledge? If so, when and how? In her new book, Morrison considers the epistemological status of the results of modeling and simulation as compared and typically contrasted with The results of experiments. She argues that no sharp distinction between simulating the world and measuring the world would
Carrie Figdor 1:54
can be drawn in modern science, and that there is no justification for epistemically privileging the results of experiments over the new knowledge we derive from idealizations, abstractions, and fictional models. She draws on a wealth of detailed knowledge of physics and other sciences to provide this important contribution to the literature on the epistemology of modeling in modern science. Let's turn to the interview. Hello Margaret Marson, are you there? Hi Carrie, how are you today? I'm fine. Welcome to New Books in Philosophy.
Margaret Morrison 2:30
Thanks very much. And thank you very much for inviting me. It's a
Carrie Figdor 2:33
it's a real pleasure to do this. Um well I'm very very excited to be talking about your new book, Reconstructing Reality Models, Mathematics and Uh Simulations. Um and you're talking, you know, the book is about a a really uh really fundamental issue about scientific knowledge production, um, you know, the role of of of fictionalizing, of idealizing, of abstracting, and now of course, with with the growth of computer simulation, I mean, what all that you know, sort of mathematical structure, you might say, um, how that relates to the physical world and how we get f you know, knowledge about the physical world from the use of these, you know, various sorts of mathematical tools. So it's a very uh a very interesting subject in its own right and it's also
Carrie Figdor 3:26
um uh increasingly important as as more of biology and social science becomes mathematized in a sense, controversially, of course, and then of course the increasing use of of computer simulations um throughout the sciences. So um before we before we get into the actual contents of the book, maybe you can say a word about uh yourself as a philosopher, how you how you came to philosophy, um and how you came to this area of philosophy and to to the writing of this particular book.
Margaret Morrison 4:01
Okay, well um When I was in I guess it goes all the way back really to when I was an undergraduate and I was taking a lot of different courses, um, none of which appealed to me very much. And um but I hadn't taken any philosophy courses and I was working as a research assistant in uh the department of biophysics. working with um uh uh biomedical engineer and um some people from the Department of Medicine on projects that used computers to develop uh body surface maps of people who had uh heart attacks and then use those maps to try to develop therapies that would uh decrease the um damage to the heart muscle. And so we were doing a lot of and clinical trial work and I got very interested in questions about biomedical ethics um during this period and so I decided I'd take a philosophy course in biomedical ethics and

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