Michael Fuerstein, "Experiments in Living Together: How Democracy Drives Social Progress" (Oxford UP, 2024)
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What is the central argument of Michael Fuerstein’s book on democracy and social progress?
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Hello and thank you for joining us for this episode of New Books in Philosophy, which is part of the New Books Network. I'm Robert Talise and I am professor of philosophy at Vanderbilt University. I co host the program with Carrie Figder, Malcolm Keating, and Sarah Tyson. Today my guest is Michael Firstin. Michael is professor of philosophy at Saint Olaf College in Minnesota. He works in social and political philosophy with an emphasis in democratic theory. His new book has just been published with Oxford University Press and it is titled Experiments in Living Together How Democracy Drives Social Progress. Now, various kinds of philosophical considerations have been offered in favor of democracy. By some accounts, democracy realizes some intrinsic value.
Like equality or collective autonomy. According to other kinds of view, democracy's value is instrumental. It tends to produce or promote certain kinds of social goods. Here, people will point to certain forms of stability and prosperity and even peace. However, a long-standing alternative tradition of democratic thinking locates democracy's value in its capacity to make social and moral progress. Here the idea isn't so much that democracy produces some already identified social good. but rather that democracy fosters a kind of social and moral discovery and implementation. Of course, this view raises several philosophical questions. What counts as progress, for example? How does democracy tend to catalyze progress is another question.
Now, in experiments in living together, Michael Ferstein draws on normative and empirical considerations in proposing a systematic account of democracy's capacity to foster progress. So as usual, there's a lot to talk about. But let's begin, as we normally do, with our guest. Hi, Mike. Hi, Bob. How are you today?
I'm good. How are you doing?
Um hanging in. Uh you know, we usually start uh with the author uh uh himself, uh and we won't deviate from that today. So uh can you tell us a little bit about yourself, Mike?
Sure. Well, I I got into philosophy like I guess pretty much everyone in this game as an undergraduate, but it was a bit accidental. I uh at at Tuft University I had to fulfill a writing requirement. Turned out that the English course which did that was not very interesting. Philosophy was an alternative and and I was off to the races. And um I was also I had sort of a parallel career as a jazz saxophonist. And so I did a dual degree program at Tufts in the New England Conservatory as an undergraduate. And um My my joke was that um I I decided to sell out for my jazz career and become a philosopher. Notably it had it had health insurance. I was I was living in New York City at the time and so Starting a graduate program was was one way of getting health insurance and a reliable salary so to speak.
You got
into philosophy for the money.
Uh exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So It was a bit of an odd an odd decision, but uh yeah, I always had these kind of two dueling passions and for a variety of reasons I wanna shunted into the philosophy track. And uh I was able to enter the PhD program at Columbia so I didn't even have to leave my apartment. in New York in order to make that work. So um Anyway, as uh as a graduate student, I did not start out particularly interested in social and political philosophy, but I did have this really deep desire to connect philosophical problems to real world things, so to speak, or let's say live social, political, moral questions. And so that that slowly pushed me away from some more abstract questions in epistemology and philosophy of science towards the the social and political stuff.
I had a mentor at Columbia, Philip Kitcher, who was r deeply into uh John Dewey. As an undergraduate, um, I had been influenced by Daniel Dennett and um people like Jody Azzuni at Tufts to get into Uh Quine, pragmatism. Right. So I had a little pragmatism in my background and um Kitcher sort of ig ignited an interest in Dewey. So I wound up taking on this cluster of issues, social, political, moral questions that linked with some of the more abstract theoretical concerns that Dewey and and others had explored and
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the central argument of Michael Fuerstein’s book on democracy and social progress?
0:00–6:36
2
How does Fuerstein define the different philosophical accounts of democracy’s value?
6:36–13:48
3
What role do epistemic and instrumental views play in the debate over democracy’s merits?
13:48–22:31
4
How does the Deweyan concept of ‘joint flourishing’ shape the book’s theory of progress?
22:31–30:52
5
What does the same‑sex marriage case reveal about democratic mechanisms and moral change?
30:52–38:38
6
Why does school desegregation illustrate both successes and limits of democratic progress?
38:38–46:56
7
How does the integration of women into the workplace illustrate evolving democratic norms?
46:56–55:19
8
What are Fuerstein’s thoughts on contemporary backsliding and future experiments in living together?
55:19–1:03:38
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