Peter Carruthers, "Human and Animal Minds: The Consciousness Questions Laid to Rest" (Oxford UP, 2019)
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What is Peter Carruthers’ main argument about animal phenomenal consciousness?
Hello, and welcome to New Books and Philosophy, a podcast channel with the New Books Network. I'm Carrie Figdor, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Iowa, and I'm co-host of the channel along with Robert Talese, Alexis McLeod, and Sarah Tyson. Together, we bring you conversations with philosophers about their new books in a wide range of areas of contemporary philosophical inquiry. Although we always hope that New Books and Philosophy will be an interesting, educational, and fun part of your regular life in this time of coronavirus pandemic and social distancing, we also hope that our podcasts will provide welcome relief from stress or boredom. My interview today is with Peter Carruthers, Distinguished University Professor of Philosophy at the University of Maryland at College Park.
His new book, Human and Animal Minds, The Consciousness Questions Laid to Rest, is just out from Oxford University Press. Do non-human animals have phenomenally conscious mental states? For example, do they have the types of conscious experiences we have when, in our case, we experience the smell of cinnamon or the redness of a ripe tomato? In his new book, Carruthers argues that there is no fact of the matter as to whether they do or not. On his view, non-human animals have those types of consciousness identified as being awake or being aware. Moreover, he agrees that the mental lives of humans and non-humans share quite a lot based on recent empirical research, and he adopts a reductive theory of phenomenal consciousness that identifies it with globally broadcast non-conceptual content.
What is indeterminate is whether non-humans have the all-or-nothing, what-it's-like quality. that our first personal concept of phenomenal consciousness appears to pick out. Nevertheless, he argues that this indeterminacy really doesn't matter much. In particular, it does not follow that we should not be concerned about animal welfare. There's a lot to talk about. It's a very interesting book. So let's turn to the interview. Hello, Peter Carruthers. Welcome to New Books and Philosophy.
Hi, nice to talk to you.
I'm very excited to talk about your book, Human and Animal Minds, The Consciousness Questions Laid to Rest. Before we get to the actual test of this book, maybe you could give us a little bit of background about yourself and your interests. I mean, you've written a number of books and certainly a large number of articles on the topic of animal minds and consciousness, things like that. So maybe you can tell us a bit about your interests in these areas and then how this particular book came about.
Sure. So I've been working on and off on philosophy of psychology for now, oh, I don't know, 30 years, I guess. And I did a book on consciousness 20 years ago now, it was called phenomenal consciousness. And in that book, I defended a version of the higher order thought theory. I called it dual content theory. And then I more or less stopped thinking about the topic. I kind of lost interest. I had other things to do. I continued working on things to do with modularity and mental architecture and animal minds and then on self-knowledge. And then I did a thing on conscious thought. And as that time was passing, I was getting increasingly uneasy about the theory I'd defended. Partly that I just thought, well...
It required me to make some assumptions that I couldn't really argue for. I mean, I thought it was giving the best explanation, but I was uneasy. And it was only a few years ago that it occurred to me that, I mean, I went back to look at the arguments I'd offered for preferring dual content theory over Michael Tai's sort of global access theory. And I thought, hmm, the arguments aren't that good. And one in particular brought me up short. It was that I had argued that Tai's view, the first order global workspace view, couldn't really explain why anything lit up when you moved from unconscious to conscious. And I realized that although I had been offering a fully reductive theory, there is no such thing as lighting up on my view.
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8 chapters
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What is Peter Carruthers’ main argument about animal phenomenal consciousness?
0:02–7:29
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How does Carruthers trace the development of his philosophical views on consciousness?
7:29–18:46
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What is the reductive, global‑workspace account of phenomenal consciousness that he defends?
18:46–29:15
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Why does Carruthers claim there is no fact of the matter about non‑human animals having ‘what‑it’s‑like’ experiences?
29:15–39:25
5
How does this indeterminacy affect (or not affect) our moral concerns for animal welfare?
39:25–50:14
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What role do first‑person phenomenal concepts play in the hard‑problem debate?
50:14–58:17
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What recent empirical research on animal minds does Carruthers highlight and how does it support his view?
58:17–1:00:28
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What projects and future research is Carruthers pursuing after this book?
1:00:28–1:01:55
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