Sarah Pessin, “Ibn Gabirol’s Theology of Desire: Matter and Method in Jewish Medieval Neoplatonism” (Cambridge UP, 2013)
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What is the focus of Sarah Pessin’s new book on Ibn Gabirol?
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Hello and welcome to New Books and Philosophy, a podcast channel in the New Books Network. I'm Carrie Figdor, Associate Professor of Philosophy at the University of Iowa, and I'm co host of the channel along with Robert Talise, Professor of Philosophy at Vanderbilt University. We interview philosophers about their new books about across a wide variety of areas, such as social and political philosophy, philosophy of mind and science, metaphysics and epistemology, aesthetics, and many others. Today's interview is with Sarah Pessin, Associate Professor of Philosophy and the Emil and Evaheck Chair in Judaic Studies at the University of Denver. We'll be talking about her new book, Ibn Gabriol's Theology of Desire: Matter and Method in Jewish Medieval Neoplatonism, which is just out from Cambridge University Press.
Pessin is committed to upending traditional readings of Solomon Ibn Gabirol and Neoplatonism, a philosophical movement often saddled with a cosmology considered as either bad science or as a kind of invisible floating kansas in which spatiotemporal talk isn't really about space or time. Pessin's reappraisal begins from the ground up, seeing Ibn Gabriel's cosmoontology as a response to the paradox of divine unity, of how God can be both complete yet also give way to that which is other than himself. Pessin argues that this eleventh century Jewish philosopher poet saw being and beings as emanating from God via a process of divine desire, a kind of precognitive essential yearning to share his goodness forward.
This desire infuses the initial grounding element, a positive conception of matter that contrary to standard views of matter, is prior to and superior to soul and intellect, such that even intellect has matter, and it is utterly distinct from Aristotle's notion of prime matter. Pessin's provocative book is full of surprising insights that reveal the richness of the ideas of what she calls a completely mischaracterized figure and period. Let's turn to the interview. Hello, Sarah Pessin.
Hi there.
Hi, welcome to New Books in Philosophy.
Thank you so much for having me.
Uh I'm glad to have you and to be talking about your new book, Ibn Gabriel's Theology of Desire Matter and Method in Jewish Medieval Platonism. Um now Ibn Gabirol is not a figure that that most of us are are familiar with. Um uh you he wrote in Arabic or in Judeo Arabic, um, but the complete t texts that we have uh of his work are Latin translations um from the twelfth century. Uh they're interspersed with quotations from the original Arabic. Um and then there are later Hebrew translations. Um and so for a long time he was actually thought to be a Muslim thinker or a Christian thinker, um and even a Christian Augustinian.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the focus of Sarah Pessin’s new book on Ibn Gabirol?
0:00–9:08
2
How did Pessin’s own philosophical journey lead her to study Ibn Gabirol?
9:08–18:24
3
Which of Ibn Gabirol’s works are most important and what translation challenges do they present?
18:24–27:55
4
What does ‘divine desire’ mean in Ibn Gabirol’s theology and how does it differ from ordinary desire?
27:55–37:24
5
How does Pessin reinterpret the notion of matter as a positive ‘grounding element’?
37:24–47:38
6
Why do Kabbalistic, Augustinian, and Thomistic lenses misread Ibn Gabirol’s thought?
47:38–57:10
7
What is the doctrine of universal hylomorphism and why is it controversial?
57:10–1:06:29
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What broader implications does Pessin draw for Neoplatonism and future research?
1:06:29–1:16:00
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