Torin Alter, "The Matter of Consciousness: From the Knowledge Argument to Russellian Monism" (Oxford UP, 2023)
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What is the Knowledge Argument and why does it matter for consciousness?
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Hello and welcome to New Books and Philosophy, a podcast channel with the New Books Network. I'm Carrie Figdur, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Iowa. I'm co-host of the channel along with Robert Talis, Sarah Tyson, and Malcolm Keating. Together we bring you conversations with philosophers about their new books and in a wide range of areas of contemporary philosophical inquiry. Today's interview is with Torin Alter, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Alabama. His new book, The Matter of Consciousness, From the Knowledge Argument to Rossellian Monism is just out from Oxford University Press. Frank Jackson's knowledge argument introduced the philosophical world to Mary, the brilliant neuroscientist, who knows everything there is to know about the physical world.
While living in a completely black and white environment. But it seems she learned something new when she leaves the room for the first time and sees and smells a red rose. So is physic physicalism, the claim that everything, including conscious experience, is physical. False? In his new book, Alter argues that the argument itself is sound, comprehensively dealing with all the major types of objections raised against each of the premises. But he also argues to a disjunctive conclusion. Either standard physicalism is false, or his own preference is It leads to Rossellian monism, a nonstandard physicalist view that posit intrinsic properties that both constitute conscious experience and underlie the basic physical properties.
Let's turn to the interview. Hello, Torrin Alter. Welcome to New Books in Philosophy.
Thank you very much. Uh it's a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.
Um, we're gonna talk about your new book, The Matter of Consciousness, another yet another treatment of the knowledge argument. But this this is a very interesting one that kind of brings a lot together and uh and also pushes it in a in a somewhat new direction. Um so before we get to the book, uh tell us a bit about yourself and you know, how you became a philosopher and and how the book came about.
Oh okay, thanks. Um Well, uh the story is is kind of uh it's it's not terribly interesting. I I I never heard of philosophy when I was in high school. And when I got to college I was looking at courses to take and uh one of them was called Philosophy and Affirmative Action, which was, you know, in the news then and it's in the news again um this week. And and uh uh I didn't notice the philosophy part, but I did notice the affirmative. action part and that sounded interesting to me. And uh and and sort of I I I really fell in love with the I guess the method and also I had great teachers.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the Knowledge Argument and why does it matter for consciousness?
0:00–7:59
2
How does Torin Alter describe his personal path into philosophy and the origins of his book?
7:59–17:33
3
What are the three “gaps” (epistemic, modal, ontological) that structure the book’s argument?
17:33–26:56
4
How does the book’s conclusion lead to a disjunctive choice between standard physicalism and Russellian monism?
26:56–36:46
5
What exactly is Russellian monism and how does it account for non‑structural (proto‑phenomenal) properties?
36:46–44:56
6
How do objections from dualism, idealism, and neutral monism challenge the Knowledge Argument?
44:56–53:44
7
Why does Alter argue that causal‑integrated theories are more plausible than purely structural ones?
53:44–1:01:28
8
What are the next steps for Alter’s research and the broader debate on physicalism?
1:01:28–1:06:37
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