Vinciane Despret, "Living as a Bird" (Polity Press, 2021)
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What is the main focus of Vinciane Despret’s book *Living as a Bird*?
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Hello and welcome to New Books and Philosophy, a podcast channel with the New Books Network. I'm Carrie Figdor, Professor of Philosophy at the University of Iowa. I'm co-host of the channel along with Robert Talise, Sarah Tyson, and Malcolm Keating. Together we bring you conversations with philosophers about their new books in a wide range of areas of contemporary philosophical inquiry. Today's interview is with Vincian depre, associate professor of philosophy at the University of Liege in Belgium. Her new book, Living as a Bird It's just out in English translation by Helen Morrison. through polity press. Birds sing to set up a territory, but the relationships between the bird, the song, the territory, and the bird's community are highly complex and individually variable.
In her new book, Depre explores the concept of territory from the perspective that situates philosophical work on human conceptions of other animals within historical and contemporary empirical research into bird song and territorial behavior. Following recent theorizing by ornithologists and anthologists, she critiques the popular view of territories as private property and birds as petite bourgeois who gain property rights, a conception grounded in European social upheavals starting in the seventeenth century. Instead, territories are zones of social interaction with one's dear enemies at the peripheries, where Male and female birds alike are active participants in the shaping, reshaping, and sharing of neighborhoods bounded in song as well as space.
This new translation by Helen Morrison makes Depre's thoughtful analysis of songbird life. Accessible to an English speaking audience. Let's turn to the interview one. Hello, Vincian de Pre. Welcome to Nubi New Books in Philosophy. Thank you,
Carrie. Hello to you and hello to everyone.
Yeah. Um so this is a very, very interesting uh book, Living as a Bird. Um as a as an analytic philosopher, it's different from the way that I, you know, am used to and probably many listeners are used to uh discussing issues of, you know, comparative cognition and comparative psychology and you know, ethology and all those sorts of things. But um, you know, it's very clearly informed by, you know, a lot of empirical research as well as an interesting background in uh, you know, more continental philosophers as well as um uh, you know, some that that I and others are are more familiar with. Um So it's a very i it was a very interesting way to think about uh non human species and particular birds, uh for for me in particular.
Um, which I really I really enjoyed the whole way you kind of uh you know, discuss the whole issue of of territory and how what it what territory is from the perspective of a bird and its uh its neighbors, its species.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main focus of Vinciane Despret’s book *Living as a Bird*?
0:00–7:37
2
How did Despret become a philosopher of animal behavior and what led her to write the book?
7:37–12:50
3
Why does Despret argue that bird territories are not private property but zones of social interaction?
12:50–15:30
4
How did the 17th‑century European notion of private property shape modern ideas about animal territories?
15:30–21:13
5
What is the ‘dear‑enemy’ effect and how does it change the way birds negotiate their borders?
21:13–30:38
6
In what ways does bird song create, maintain, and transform territorial relationships?
30:38–49:26
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How do birds balance the need for a quiet, defended space with their inherently social nature?
49:26–1:03:21
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What new research directions is Despret pursuing after *Living as a Bird*?
1:03:21–1:05:18
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