This episode features a conversation with Carnatic vocalist, T.M. Krishna, who is also the author of two books on this musical tradition. We began with his first book’s account of the modernization of Carnatic music through a set of social, technical, and spatial processes that transformed it from a more socially diverse practice into a predominantly Brahmin performative genre. We moved on to discuss a figure who is at the heart of his second book: the maker of the Carnatic percussion instrument, the mrdangam. This took us into an extended discussion of the changing relationship between mrdangam makers, who are predominantly Dalit, and mrdangam players, who are predominantly Brahmin, and what the complex mix of inequality, stigma, artistry, and pride suggests about the specificity of this inter-caste relationship. The episode ended with Krishna fleshing out his distinction between classical music and art music and the reasons why he rejects the former in favor of the latter. Read the transcript Guest T.M. Krishna is a vocalist in the Carnatic tradition and the author of two books and numerous articles. References T.M. Krishna, A Southern Music: The Karnatik Story (Harper Collins, 2016). T.M. Krishna, Sebastian and Sons: A Brief History of Mrdangam Makers (Westland, 2023). Devadasi: refers to a historical practice of “marrying” girls to a temple deity. In the pre-colonial period, Devadasis held a respected place in society as literate, land owning women who were highly trained in music and dance. During colonialism, their sexual relations with male patrons came to be seen as a threat to householder society and they became targets of moral reform. The Devadasi system was abolished in 1947. Sadir: a dance form historically performed by the Devadasi community that was the precursor to modern Bharatanatyam. Bharatanatyam: a modern dance form now widely performed by upper castes. Khayal: vocal genre of North Indian music. ICS: Indian Civil Service, the higher tier of colonial administration in British India that became the basis of the post-independence Indian Administrative Service. The Music Academy: the main performance space for Carnatic music in Madras (now Chennai), India. Kutcheri: term for the venue where Carnatic music is performed. Thanjavur: city in the Indian state of Tamil Nadu known for its art and architecture. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://newbooksnetwork.supportingcast.fm/sociology

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