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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Chapter 2: What insights do they share about Carrie Hilson and her career?
It's like, fam, that's a lot of dudes that's still alive from the era that ain't shit. Ain't shit. And they was that guy. A lot of trash music, trash albums, trash. It's like, so we're not going to just make it seem like that person would have been on top or this. It's like, I hate when people do that.
That's just like a talk because you can't prove it because the person's no longer here, unfortunately. Yeah. Well, I mean, Carrie had Knock You Down with Ne-Yo and Kanye. Like, I thought that record was... No, she had some... Carrie Wilson had some records. Pretty Girl Rock was fire. She had some records. Yeah. But one could make the case that it just was never the same after that. Yeah.
I get it. I understand. I think it's cool that you're owning up to it and regretting it. I think that type of talk is... Fine. Do you think, so as far as the Esther Dean, because Carrie's thing is like this, this 16 years, like this has been a long time. Why? Like you could have been came out and say, Oh, Carrie ain't right with that. Right. That I wrote it.
But I mean, I guess the onus still falls on Carrie because you knew what that was about when you went into the studio and you laid that track down, whether you wrote it or not. So. And I feel like, and again, no disrespect to Carrie. I think Esther Dean is like, that's the record. You're talking about, like, look at my catalog. Do you think I even think about that remix at all?
When I have Drop It Low, Super Bass, Love Suicide, Another Life. No, Kerry Olsen had records. No, I'm saying from Esther Dean's side. Like, do you think Esther Dean is thinking about that fucking remix? She has diamond records. Yeah, Esther Dean, I mean, if you know, you know. A lot of people don't know who Esther Dean is. And, you know, like I said, a lot of new people outside.
And, you know, they don't know. But if you know Esther Dean... You know, she has hits. She's written some of the biggest records that we have that we've heard. So, I mean. I just don't like people bringing up, like, because I know Carrie, obviously, she doesn't do a lot of interviews and doing Breakfast Club. Like, you kind of figured they are going to bring that up.
But I know she wants to get past that. Like, she has to be tired of that just hanging over her. Oh, for sure. Like, you know what I'm saying? It's just like, yeah, she said it and, you know, whatever. You know, maybe she wanted a back and forth. Well, she probably did want a back and forth with Beyonce. That would have been probably worse. Yeah.
But, and also if you're submitting three different ideas, like Esther was probably just trying shit in the booth and sent it to Polo. Yeah. Like, all right, if you want to go this route, this is what I like. That's not her fault. If you were submitting a bunch of stuff and you guys decided to pick the diss one. Like, it's a bunch of different ideas. And Esther wrote Rude Boy that year.
I don't think she gave a fuck. Yo. At all. Facts. Wrote Sex Therapy from Robin Thicke. And Back to the Crib. Y'all don't remember Back to the Crib? One of the rapiest hooks of all time. Yeah, I know. That's what Esther should be coming to the podium for, not this and Beyonce. She don't even know that we going back to the crib. Yeah, it was wild times, man. You know what I'm saying?
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Chapter 3: How do they analyze the impact of publicists in the music industry?
I can see them ass getting her ass beat on IG Live. I can see it. Saying you invented sex when your parents are in the room. It's impossible. No, they invented you with sex. You don't think I invented sex. Kid shit. Get off your fucking Facebook. Oh my God. Trying to get poked. Kid shit. Trying to get poked. No, William. No.
Well, like in true fashion, true white people fashion, Rory, y'all had to make y'all white rapper. Yeah. Mount Rushmore. What about us, guys? Naturally, we can't talk about rap without talking about the white rappers. So they made a white rapper. Lucien Grange, Lior Cohen, a bunch of faceless. Rick Rubin. Redacteds. All right. So this is Mount Rushmore. Obviously Eminem.
Rest in peace, Mac Miller. Is that Paul Wall? It appears to be Paul Wall. Paul Wall and Russ. I feel bad for the guy that had to sculpt Russ's hair. That would have taken forever to chisel. He had leave-in conditioner in his hair right there. That's a good leave-in. I don't know if Paul Wall is on the white wrap of Mount Rushmore. Again, establish what Mount Rushmore is.
Well, the ones that kind of laid the foundation for the white rappers. So you would take Paul Wall off before Russ if we talk about laying foundations? Yeah. I mean, I didn't say I wouldn't take Russ off either, but just looking at that, I mean, Mack is still too young. The only case I would make for Mack... was defining the generation of the new white rapper.
Like where it went outside of Eminem, it was kind of corny for, it was MC Search and Beastie Boys, which was cool. They're bass and shit. Then it was like corny for a while. Then it was just Eminem. And then Mack, Action, like that whole time came. And I think Mack defines that era. So I think it's a forefather of the new white rapper. Maybe.
Maybe.
If you're changing forefather to the new forefathers. There's not a lot of white rappers that are really established and have credibility. Because if we're just going forefather shit, it's got to be M, MC Search. We can't put, I guess, all the Beastie Boys. And this is going to sound crazy. And I'm not trolling. Vanilla Ice. I'm dead ass.
Ice, baby.
Yeah, I don't know about Vanilla Ice. Why? How is he not one of the forefathers of white rap? You could say it's corny. You could hate it. You could say it was bad for hip hop. But how is that not a forefather of... You're right. Forefather. You're right. You would have to have Vanilla Ice there. You would have to. I think you could put LP up there, even from the label side, rapper side.
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Chapter 4: What are the challenges of parenting as podcasters?
I would stress Kevin Gates out. He seems like your type. I don't mean that in a bad way. I'm serious. He's a challenge. I love a challenge. Yeah. Y'all would argue all fucking day. Yeah, Kevin Gates and Damaris? Yeah, that's an argument.
Chapter 5: How do personal relationships influence podcast dynamics?
I'm waiting. Do you have girl names? She gave us girl names before. Alexandra or Anastasia. Jamaris. Jamaris. I like Jamaris. No, you don't. No, you do not. You don't like Jamaris.
Chapter 6: What are the implications of leadership in podcasting?
You can still be a junior. Jamaris Jr. And it's like, what is it? Is it a boy or a girl? Is it a unisex name? We saw the Smiths do it. Look how that turned out. Two creative kids. Two creative kids, absolutely. Yeah.
Chapter 7: How does the stigma around Nas's beat selection affect perceptions?
We're going to have a kid that talks too fucking much. Two podcasters can't have a kid. Kid won't shut the fuck up. No, that kid's going to be dead quiet. It's funny because, I mean, Rory knows. I only talk here. Yeah. No, I'm saying, no, I only talk here. I don't talk to nobody outside of this shit. I talk to the same four people every day, probably. Outside of these walls.
Because I have a word count, like a Twitter word count, and it usually ends here. Yeah. Go home and be quiet. Yeah, I told to my nephew, like, he's one of the four people I speak to every day. And he's... How old is my nephew? Five? Nine? He's nine.
Nine.
Damn. I told him every day. He's one of the few people I talk to every day. A nine-year-old. I talk to nobody. Fuck y'all. Am I by... proxy? Just the Godfather? Yeah, absolutely. Nah, because if he go broke, you go broke too. I need somebody that's not connected. What you mean? I need somebody who ain't. We can't all have the same. No. Yeah.
No, because if we get canceled because Rory can't stop mentioning the goddamn then no, the Godfather. I've never referred to them as that. The goddamn keep coming up in here. Buying up all the good with great Christmas man's hair.
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yo damaris is fucking crazy just bleep it off i'm sorry but yeah did we what was the voicemail no we got him right i told him go to oh yeah go to columbia dr you know i mean go to just get you some bullshit luggage man don't worry about it go to uh target or go to uh what's the other not target uh Walmart. TJ Maxx. TJ Maxx. Target is probably going to have some expensive luggage, though.
I mean, just get you some, you know, just black, something durable. This is not an ad, but tell Volume they owe us one. Away luggage is affordable and great. Yeah, absolutely. I've ran my away luggage into the ground over the last five years. How do you spell it? A-W-A-Y. Yeah. Create a code just for the fuck of it. Yeah. Just for the fuck of it. Create a code.
These are the ads that work when you say shit like that. We'll leave an Amazon link in our description. Yeah, man. Just do that. Go to Columbia DR. Take you about $1,000 spending cash if you have. If not, $500 to do. Just have fun for like four days. Just journal out there. Yeah. Just get your mind right. You know what I'm saying?
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