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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What are the biggest duds in Jay-Z's discography?
Meaning that if a legend drops an album that's not good, like we hold them to a high regard. So like with the Wayne shit, because you was like, nah, it's okay. I'm like, no, it's not. Like when you're a legend, you can't drop a dud. But Eminem has. He has. And it happens. But I'm saying that you don't get a pass because you was trying to give Wayne a pass for dropping a dud.
Nah, you don't get no pass for that. This gentleman right here, Rory, says, I agree with Maul. Thank you, Waltz. I agree with Maul. If Wayne dropped an okay or just a good album, the convo is completely different. But if you're in the convo of one of the greatest ever and you drop a dud, that it has to be made known that it was. Okay, then. Then it has to be made known that it was a dud. Yeah.
Okay, I don't feel this way, but do you think the consensus of the general public after Black Al Mavin, he retired, came back with Show Me What You Got, do you think Kingdom Come was deemed a dud when it came out? Kingdom Come? Yeah. I'm not going to say it was deemed a dud, but a lot of people didn't like it. I'm not going to say dud, though. A lot of people didn't like it.
I don't think it sounded the way people... Let's not rewrite history. I like it. I think it probably has one of the best intros ever. Lost One's one of my favorite songs. There's so much shit on there that's incredible. But let's not all act like everyone didn't say that was a fucking dud when it came out. I don't remember if everyone was saying it was a dud.
I stood in line for the fucking reflective cover. And then we all opened it and was like...
all right man could have stayed retired i don't i don't know i don't i don't i can't speak to that but i i didn't feel me personally i didn't feel like it was a dud okay i didn't feel like it was a listen i like kingdom come i'm talking about what the general public thinks oh i don't i don't i don't know what the general was public was saying about that that's exactly what well yeah did that come out oh oh yeah i don't know what the fuck the general public was saying oh anything oh anything like what the fuck what was kingdom come no because uh
Wait, American Gangster was what? 07? So Kingdom Come was... Maybe two years after that. No, because Kingdom Come was the... Peach. 2003 was Kingdom Come. Oh, hell no. I don't know what the general public... In 03? I don't know what these niggas was thinking in 03. I was in second grade. We didn't even have social media. Did we? Oh, my God.
Maul, after the Black album, Fade to Black, when he handed the keys to the city over to you and Bleak, he disappeared and then came back, gave us a reflective cover that we'd never seen. Everyone was disappointed as far as the public went. Yes, that was the overall consensus. Anywhere you went was like... I'm not saying you're wrong.
I'm just saying I don't remember that.
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Chapter 3: Why is Kendrick Lamar's reception in Toronto being debated?
I didn't know what the fuck they were saying. It was catchy. Yeah, that appeals to kids. Catchy songs appeal to kids. MTV... Catchy songs appeal to anybody. What are you talking about? BET, 106 and Park, MTV, all of those things were... They appeal to kids.
Not children, but to kids.
When they went to the window, it wasn't a bunch of 40-year-olds like, yo, salute. It was a bunch of kids and their parents. Yeah, but that's... Again, I'm not saying that what you're saying is wrong. I'm saying... These artists are not going. Jay-Z in particular is not going in the studio making album thinking about what are the kids going to think about this? That's not what he's doing.
He's making music and whoever likes it, likes it. But it's not for kids. He's not. Of course.
But back when Jay-Z was also young, he was making music for people in his age range. No, you don't think that that was happening?
Yeah, but again, you're talking about rap. First of all, rap is a young sport, number one. Exactly. So it's going to appeal to a younger audience just by the nature of the culture. But when you're talking about his content and what he's saying and what he's talking about, that's not... He's not rhyming and rapping and telling you... Fiends can catch a freeze off my kneecap.
He ain't saying that for kids. Of course not. No. So I'm just saying he's not making it for kids. It's going to appeal because it's hip hop. It's rap. These are what kids in the city. This is what they listen to. This is what they see. This is what they grow up around. But they're not the ones that determine if it's hot or not. Like, no, that's not who determines that.
But see, that and that's just where we're going to have to disagree. We're going to have to disagree. That is who determines what's hot or not.
Because those are the, back in those days, back in 06, when, again, when you had to get your music video premiered on certain things and you were trying to get people to buy your albums and you were marketing, you were marketing towards younger adults because younger adults are more likely to spend their money on that type of shit or beg their parents to spend their money on that type of shit.
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Chapter 4: What shots did Pusha T take at Travis Scott?
You didn't know the general consensus of what this album that came out was. You knew what the people in your neighborhood were saying about it. You knew what the people in your barbershop were saying about it. Yeah, that's not a thing. That is a thing.
But when you say general, I'm thinking you thinking like the entire, like what is the entire fucking country saying about this artist that just dropped? Like how we know now when the artist dropped, we can know what everybody is feeling about it or what everybody seems to be feeling about it. It wasn't like that in 97. What are you talking about? For the most part...
Everyone has similar thoughts.
That's crazy. Not exactly. Depending on the regions and things like that. Because I grew up thinking that the general consensus was that Jay-Z was the best rapper to ever have rapped. And then I started meeting niggas from the South and they looked at me like I had seven heads.
Yeah, but we're talking about Jay-Z fans I'm talking about. But again, and that's false too because a lot of niggas in the South fuck with Jay-Z.
A lot of niggas from the South do. But a lot of niggas from the South do not look at Jay the way that we do. It's not the general consensus that it's well known that Jay-Z is the greatest rapper of all time. In the South, it is not looked at like that. There's a big debate. I just feel like this is semantics.
But even here, in New York, there's a lot of people in New York that don't feel like Jay-Z is the best rapper ever.
Yeah, but we look at them like weirdos.
Because they are. But I think this is semantics. We don't claim it. And no, I can't prove it, but everyone knows how Kingdom Come came across in the beginning.
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Chapter 5: How has Joy Taylor's podcast impacted her love life?
somebody that was shitting on y'all toronto is the third largest city in north america right you don't think kendrick lamar has fans out no no we know kendrick has fans in toronto but i just you know people were supposed to that show you were supposed to not go to that specific show but you know why because he's shitting on the city of toronto is he What the fuck you think? They not like us?
Who's they and they not like us? You think he was specifically talking about... He was talking about Canadians. All of Canada is crazy. That's exactly who he was talking about. He was talking about Canadians. Torontonians, to be exact. I thought he was trying to separate between people that are of the culture and the people that are not. And he's saying they're not like us and...
Oh, that's what you thought? It's definitely not what he was saying. Yeah, so all you idiots in Toronto that brought a ticket to that show, just stay in the house. Didn't they become us if they were at the show singing with him? No. Maybe they wanted to become us. No. That's exactly why they're fucking goofy. Anybody that went to that show as a Torontonian is a goofy.
You can't go to that show, man. You just can't. You're not supposed to. You got to stand for something. Can you just say that you were wrong? About what?
about what that you were wrong about your take about yeah say I was wrong I thought that they were gonna he was gonna get laughed out the arena he didn't oh man I don't mean listen man Scissor was there too though so do you like oh my fuck okay we gotta give Scissor some props let's not act like a lot of people wasn't there to see Scissor we're not doing that I think people were there for one of the biggest artists period cool yeah so if do you think anyone from Queens is allowed to go to a KRS-One show in that moment no now today
If KRS, yeah, today, yeah. So when he does the bridges over, Queens keeps on faking it. You're not allowed to enjoy KRS. KRS-One wouldn't do that. That's not a part of his set. I'm sure he performed it last night somewhere. In Queens? What's wrong in Queens? You said in Queens. He would perform in New York City. You said in Queens.
I missed the yellow ball.
He said in Queens. That's what he said at first. I'm sure KRS-One has performed the bridges over in Queens before. And I'm sure people from Queens were there going, the bridge is over.
The bridge is over.
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Chapter 6: What are the implications of discussing financial literacy in hip-hop?
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Travis Scott versus Pusha T. When the clips put out So Be It, I felt like a hip hop novice because at the end of So Be It, which I think is incredible, by the way, I think the clips are two for two. The visual is incredible as well. I thought Pusha T was dissing Kanye West. Just out the gate. And I thought he was just using Utopia because Travis is man.
Like, I just thought that was a wordplay thing. And then the timeline started debating. And I was like, well, that'd be weird if he would just diss Travis Scott. Like, and first of all, I'm a hip hop nerd. It's got to be about Kanye. And then within 15 minutes, Pusha T was like, no, it was directly about Travis Scott. It was talking about Kanye West at all. Well, Kanye caught a little bar, maybe.
Yeah, but he, I mean, he caught one on the first one as well with trumpets. Like Pusha T has been continuing walls to get his juice fixin'. Thank you, Josh. This is like my spinach. No, it is spinach.
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Chapter 7: How do the hosts view the concept of 'duds' in music?
Yeah. Don't come in here. Don't come in here. Ask for Pharrell's cosign. Pharrell let you film. Interrupt our entire session. And then let... Somebody diss him the next week on the very song that you played him. I can see somebody feeling a way about that. Was Pusha dissed on Mel now? Sort of. Like within the Pharrell bars. I can't remember that.
It was something, you know, melting down his legacy and all that entire shit, which he continued on to do in Family Matters. But with that said... I don't think Push is wrong, per se, for it. I just think it's a little random. So Push is mad that Travis has a verse on his album where Drake is dissing Pharrell. Yes. And he is mad that he continues to play... The middle ground.
Because to Pusha's credit, he even went on there and said he thought it was nasty when Travis was hyping up like that, which we all saw and we covered on this podcast. Everyone saw that clip. We thought it was weird, too. Like, Shemans, like, what the fuck? And Pusha's saying, you're not even a rapper, so why are you hyping up beef?
You claim to be neutral and be on both sides, but now you're hyping up to like that record. Mm-hmm. which is honestly dissing somebody push hate. So I give push the credit on that. Like you look goofy doing that too. And then you look goofy coming in the studio, playing some shit that is going to diss this guy the next week.
Even though we know that I think Drake did that record like the night before, but you're not going to step in. Like, no, I was just with Pharrell. Like, don't do that on my record. Yeah. Because we've seen artists do that before where they'd be like, nah, I can't like, come on. That's my man. I can't put that verse on my album. And we can't be hypocrites. Cause like,
When Drake put out push-ups and was throwing shots at Future, I understood it. Future didn't diss Drake on like that, but you sitting there harmonizing with somebody that is. So yeah, I think Drake had every right to do that. So that's where I do feel push on this entire thing. Yeah, I'm not mad at what Pusha is saying. I'm not mad at his stance on things. Obviously, I understand it.
These are rappers. Travis is not a rapper. He's not about to bar nobody down. He makes big songs and things like that, has a great live performance. You know, rappers, this is what Pusha's talking about, the rappers, the guys that really can construct these bars and really, you know, go at each other. Like, you know, I can see him feeling a way.
I just don't want, because I kind of feel like, now, I like the fact that Pusha's addressing shit on wax. Let me put that out there. Yeah, and first of all- I would rather him be addressing it on wax than to be going live. The corny shit, some rappers do go live, start tweeting. That stuff is fine if you're also rapping. If you're rapping, if you put it in the music, cool.
But if you're not putting the music in, you're just addressing your issues with rappers on podcasts or on IG Live. It's like, come on, bro. Get in the booth. So I salute Pusha. Forget in the booth and airing shit out and expressing his feelings. That's what this is about. That's what hip hop is for. It's to get your shit off, talk your shit. If you got something to say, say it, stand on it.
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Chapter 8: What role does pride play in relationships according to the hosts?
I'm not here for that. But if he responds in a Travis way... in the middle of a song somewhere where, you know, niggas is mosh pitting and it's, you know, fuck Pusha, fuck Pusha, fuck Pusha on some rock shit. I don't know. However you want to do it. I could see that happening. But then now, does Pusha on the next project, what is he doing? Is he back to, is he flaming Travis up on the next album?
You get what I'm saying? So that's what I'm saying. I don't want it to fall in. It might not even be the next album. You might just get a response record. Out the gate. But that's what I'm saying. I just don't want it to fall into that. The video is amazing. That's what the clips have always done. It has given us great visuals and things like that. So this is right on brand for the clips.
But yeah, I respect it, man. If you got an issue with somebody in rap, rap. And I saw a lot of people like, yo, that's corny because everyone knows Travis doesn't even rap like that. Since when can a rapper not rap about shit that happened if it wasn't rappers? It has to be a lyrical rapper that you explain a situation you hate. I've heard rappers talk about girls they fucked.
That girl can't rap. Did a whole verse about her. All she can do is reply on Twitter. Does that make them pussy? No. I don't think that pusher did this thinking it would turn into a back and forth. I think he just had something to say and he wanted to address it. And he addressed it through the music and... I respect that.
I always respect when the rappers rap and get on the song or get in the booth and get they shit off. As long as you're not just on social media and on podcasts talking about other rappers, it's like, cool, give us the music. Do it through the music. That's what hip hop is for. That's one of the things that hip hop is for, but I respect it, man. I'm not mad at this at all.
Rob Markman, Do we think we get ... Well, I don't know, because does Drake even like Travis Scott right now? That's what happens when you get in the middle like that. Like, then everyone just hates you. So, like I was about to say, do we get a Travis and Drake record where it's a hit, but they are sending shots? Like, which they've done in the past that has been incredible?
I don't think we get a Travis and Drake record ever again. I don't think that happens. Me, personally, I don't know for sure. But I don't, I mean, after what Travis did, I don't see. I would look at that shit goofy and weird. Yeah. I don't see that happening.
I went and sat on the little ottoman in front of him. I said, hi, dad.
And just when I said that, my mom comes out of the kitchen and she says, I have some cookies and milk. This is badass convict.
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