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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What did Cardi B announce about her second album?
It's not like, oh, I can do this and let me get better.
It was like, no, you hit one hell of a lick. You had the perfect album at the perfect time and the perfect climate for female rappers. It was literally the perfect storm for that album to do what it did.
And there's a good chance that no matter how good this one is, it won't hit that. And I don't want... The criticism that she's going to get from people who don't know anything about the music industry or the way that music is selling right now to get to her and stifle her creativity or make her not even want to be an artist anymore because we do know how sensitive Cardi is.
So that's what I'm scared for. Do I think the album will do well? Yes. Do I think it'll do well first week? Not if they don't fix this rollout.
But I do think that Cardi is known for making good music. And I think over time, the sales will grow the same way that Dolce's did and that Lotto's did or whatever. But I just don't want her to pay attention to metrics that don't really matter, that the stands and the fans are pushing on her and for her to feel like she failed personally.
No, but this is and this goes back to, you know, a lot of people try to paint it like I was hating on Cardi. I love Cardi from the same town. I support her no matter what. But. When you have the success that she had on her first one out the gate, it's hard to match that. You can grow towards that. But the success she had off the first album... Like what else is there to accomplish after that?
You get what I'm saying? It's like she got everything off the first album. The looks that she got, the awards that she got, the accolades, everything she already has it. So now if this second album come out and she doesn't get those things, is that a failure? That's what I'm saying. But that's why I always land on the side of just let the music be dope.
fuck the accolades fuck the metrics let the music be dope gotta develop more as an artist like the doji i didn't even know that was you know y'all know i'm terrible with titles that anxiety record i didn't even know that was doji i had no clue that that was a doji song it hit that when i go in any department store that shit is yeah and i'm like wait that's doji
I'm thinking just rap when it comes to Dolce, like getting her bars off. So to hear that, this is where why you say female rap is not because now you have to do more than just rap as a female. Give us some melodies. Give us some more pop. You know what I mean? Like lean a little more pop. So now I don't know who she worked with on this project.
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Chapter 3: How did Jim Jones claim responsibility for Nas's viral moment?
All right, so we just pulled up the pre-save link on Apple Music, and it appears that track 22 and track 23 are up and wop. Mm-mm-mm. Now that scares me a bit. Bodak Yellow was how old by the time Invasion of Privacy came out? It was a couple years, but at that time, the streaming rules were different, and that was helpful. It went towards your total. They have now changed that rule.
So had that rule still been here, I would totally get why WAP would be on this album. But the fact that that has shifted... scares me because what benefit is up and wop being on this album really going to do in the scope of things now to be fair they are the last two tracks on the pre-order uh track list so i don't know if you know as far as the listen of the album if it matters
But I don't like that, though. I don't like Up and Wap being on this album. Can you think of a time when there was a regime change and a label and an A-lister put out a project immediately following it? I cannot think of a time. Typically, when they do their musical chairs shit and people become different presidents or whatever...
Typically, if that president signed you, you're getting dropped because the new regime is like, yo, I didn't sign you. You're not my act. I'm starting to take that on. Bacardi, of course, is A-list. So A-listers are going to stay there. It's not like they were going to drop Justin Bieber when L.A. re-left. Of course, they're going to stay.
But I've never heard of them putting music out right after there's a new president and a new system. I don't know. This is all odd. I hope it's great. Outside, I don't know if that's the one. Maybe it'll grow. Maybe with a visual. It's a cool record, and I don't know if just a cool record is it right now. Which is fucked up to say, because you know how hard it is to make a hit fucking record?
It's one of the hardest things in the world. So to just say put one out, Cardi, is crazy to say, but I don't know if outside is the one that... going to lead the momentum that is that is needed when you don't even know your new label president and you're just announcing shit but that's why i like what you just said about hit records and that's why we have to start giving more let's say applause
To the artists that consistently do that. It's not easy to make a hit record.
No.
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of Cardi B's album rollout?
Consistently make hit records is not an easy... Hardest fucking thing ever. No matter how talented you are. So... We got into a space where it became everything else other than the music. You know what I mean? Like, let's have a public relationship. Let's, you know, go viral on doing this and do these dances. And then it's everything dressed up around the record. The hit records.
Records can't stand by themselves. The records can't stand by themselves. So now... With this situation with Cardi, again, A-list, has all the accolades already off the first album, achieved things that most people in her genre will never achieve. Every song was on Billboard. Like, she has all of that. She had like 10 hits on that, which is insane. So now, sophomore album...
First album since all of these accolades. Had a lot of features in between it. Good records in between it. But this is the first Cardi B album post the success of Invasion of Privacy. Now we got to get back to where are the hit records on this album. Looking at Up and Wap being there. I don't like that, but hey, it's 23 tracks, so those might not even matter.
But Maul, that's the oxymoron. What you just said was let's pay attention to music and not really pay attention to hits, but then you saying, all right, well, where are the hits?
Because the two songs that Cardi dropped in between that we thought, when the album we thought was coming last year, those were really, really good songs. Objectively, those are really good songs and they both came with a big visual. Which songs you talking about?
Um, one of them was the freestyle and the other one was the one that she kept teasing. I can't remember exact names of Josh.
Freestyle was dope. That's when that, uh, offset directed, right?
I think he directed the video. Yeah.
That shit was hard, but it was also a freestyle. I don't even think Cardi and the label was like, this is a hit. I think it was, let's feed our fan base in the meantime.
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Chapter 5: What insights do Rory and Mal share about financial struggles among friends?
See, you being funny and I respect that. I respect you being funny. I respect you finding humor.
He's being funny. No, no, I respect you finding humor.
And you know that's my guy. No, listen. I respect you finding humor in this. Now, we spoke about this the other day. I thought... And then he doubled down and went and did another interview. I thought Jim was trolling. And to some extent, I feel like he may still be trolling. He said last Sunday on Instagram that he was trolling.
Yeah, but now this latest clip that came out, he sat down with Bag Fuel. Yeah. And Clue was on there as well. He sat down with them and his quote was, what I did for Nas recently probably has never been done in his life. Last time he was in some viral shit like this was when he was getting that Jay-Z. Now, He may have a point with the viral thing, right?
He may have a, because Nas is not somebody that goes viral much. There wasn't, viral didn't exist when he was going to Jason. This is what I'm getting at. But on the flip side of this, I don't think Nas cares about going, he owns Ring cameras. Really? Yeah. I didn't know that. He's one of the first investors in Ring Camera. I don't think Nas cares about going viral. And that's the thing.
You don't think... Nas does not care about going viral. And that's the thing. Jim, I understand what Jim is saying. So he may have a point.
No, he doesn't.
No, no. He may have a point in the whole Nas being viral thing. What's the definition of viral? But at the same time... Jim, you're going viral off of talking about Nas. The things that you're saying about Nas is why you're going viral because people can't believe that you're actually saying these things about Nas. It's like...
Jim, what you've done, and we talk about all the time, what Jim has done to me, he has surpassed what anybody ever thought he would do in music. He has dope albums, dope songs. And if you've been around long enough to see Diplomats from the start to where it is now, you are looking at Jim like, damn, he really turned his music career into something really lucrative.
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Chapter 6: What are the reactions to Jim Jones's comments about Nas?
I think he's...
he's too entrenched in other shit outside of music i mean if he's motivated and inspired i hope we get one but i'm not banking on it yeah no i don't i don't think i'm not banking but i'm begging i'm praying and i prayed on halliburton downfall and that happened so you said there's superbowl rumors of jay performing at superbowl yeah i saw that well we talked about that when he first took over how many years would it not look weird to pick yourself
Oh yeah, he's performing. It's Vegas. He's trying to get to Caesars Palace. Oh yeah, yeah. And Beyonce's popping up. Man, I need tickets. He's performing. San Francisco? Oh yeah, nah, he's not performing. Y'all are so fucking funny. I think the NFL is going to put pressure to have a non-urban act for this year. But if it was Vegas, yeah, I'd be like, nah, Jay's heavy into the gambling world now.
He'd definitely perform Vegas. Oh, yeah. If it's Vegas, he's definitely. But no, I think we're going to get. Morgan. Morgan.
Morgan Wallen.
Pete said Morgan Wallen. Halftime show, Morgan Wallen. Morgan and Drake. No, I think it'll be. Well, I mean, Jay got there to make sure there was representation at halftime. Now there's another side of the country that may need some representation. And they see themselves in Morgan. Listen, man, we could talk about it.
can we about the super bowl um no i think we may be at that point where chris could get it brown yeah he couldn't even get the michael jackson uh fucking tribute why wouldn't why wouldn't chris get it we already had this conversation i'm like four times and listen i'm which chris deserves it but we i think everybody's passed if quavo doesn't have anything to do that day
I'm sure Quavo has something. I met Quavo before you came. Yeah? Yeah. But I was like, nah, chill. I'm with Chris.
You said that?
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