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Chapter 1: What are the implications of the leaked Young Thug phone calls?
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Chapter 2: Why does Drake avoid traditional hip-hop media interviews?
You know what I'm saying? Like, it's not like a, I didn't, I, even now I'm like, okay, you know, I, I, I did think about that one though. Cause I'm like, all right, now, is a little bit more intention. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, motherfuckers... It's not disrespectful, though. It was the epitome of what this whole thing is, of what hip-hop is. Right.
To me, what you were doing. So that's why, you know... It was good to see the guys get out and, you know, get the pins moving, everybody rapping. I love that. You know, I'm a little older, so I know what that part of the culture is. It's like this is rap. Never thought it was going to get serious or it was going to go left. Right.
But I didn't understand how some people were really like offended, though, and really felt the way like, nah, fuck that. I'm like, but this is what they supposed to be doing is rapping. Yeah, and I mean, I don't know. I feel like the internet was offended. I don't think daylight was offended. I think the internet was fueling it. No, no, no. Daylight wasn't offended.
I think anyone like that participated in it. I mean, daylight been having conversations since the beginning. Since the rulers back. You did mention in the last... record that Light had heard your bars before. So before the Red Bull shit, because, shit, what's the Daylight shit? He had the skate park. Apologies, Light. I forgot the record. It was one of my favorite joints.
It came out before... Like Backpack or some shit like that. Yeah, and he kind of predicted what Joey's first diss would have been. And then... Joey had mentioned on the last record, like, you heard all my bars on the Red Bull shit months ago. Like, don't act like you some prophecy shit. Like, you knew it was going to happen. So that did happen. Ab played that for him?
Or how did that even go about? So, you know, when we did the Red Bull joint, we did that shit in, like, March. It ain't come until, like, what, like... May or some shit like that. Yeah, around that. So, you know, I don't know if Ab specifically played it, but what I do believe happened is we recorded Decipher at Big Sean's house. Like a track. Okay.
Because the guys was, you know, everybody just kind of wanted to make sure that we had a backup plan in case... lyrics couldn't be remembered, memorized in time. So it was like the idea of having this backing track. But I knew in that very moment that motherfuckers was going to hear my shit. You know what I'm saying? Because everybody's connected. You know what I'm saying?
So, like, it don't got to be Ab direct. It could have been his manager. Boom, boom, boom. Yeah, but he going to hear it. But then, you know, Ab is also a TDE artist. So, top. And, you know, the label is very involved on the rolling out of the Red Bull cypher.
You know what I'm saying? Everybody understands what it is.
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Chapter 3: How does Joey Bad@$$ view the West Coast battle scene?
I feel like power and energy in a situation where it's just like I was able to approach it like a little bit differently. But yeah, now shout out to Day though, man. I really do love Day. That's my man. And like, you know what I'm saying?
That's my guy. Daylight is one of the greatest.
I just want to know where he at. I haven't heard anything from him. Is he posting on social media? Like we haven't seen Daylight at all. I heard he dropping a joint soon. The album?
Yeah.
listen again it's surf and light that i think are the two battle rappers that like make good they know how to make good music so that's that's where i was a little nervous but what was that call to lux like oh like how did that whole that whole thing come together with loaded lux let me take a little sip
and I know Lux was laughing like I know when he got the call he started laughing like what you doing if I remember correctly on YouTube it didn't say featuring Loaded Lux no it did no because I remember being in my I'm posted the most Statue of Liberty emojis I've ever posted in my fucking life once I heard Lux come on that second verse yeah Yeah, man. You know, so me and Lux go way back.
You know what I'm saying? Like, I connected with Lux, like, probably 10 years ago, 8 years ago. Like, I did a feature film, like, back in the day. You know, so we always just had that rapport. Yeah. Or whatever. And, you know, I actually had a conversation with him early on in the year. Like, you know... when the shit first started kicking off and shit like that.
You know, we was, you know, laughing, joking, and, you know, talking about the idea of possibly, like, if I was going to engage, like, you know. But it was really just kind of like poking fun out of the whole situation. Like, it wasn't nothing serious. I didn't, like, really be like, yo, boom, boom. But then when the Red Bull shit happened, I'm like, okay, cool. So I'm my opponents, right?
I heard this shit for two months. I got my move ready. Yeah. And, you know, right the next day, you know, Ray Vaughn dropped. And then I'm like, okay, cool. I went to the studio that night and I made the finals. You know what I'm saying? Boom. But then after that, I'm like, okay, what is this nigga like going to do? You know what I'm saying?
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Chapter 4: What are the reactions to the narrative surrounding Young Thug's situation?
We did have, likeā Fairly, we did have like... TD East. Yeah, we did have some dialogue. Like, you know what I'm saying? Just like, you know, joking and, you know, a lot of joking and laughing and shit. Shit, I ain't going to lie. Top, he had... He bought me some tickets one night to the Knick game while that shit was going on. He was like, yo, you got to be out there, man.
Like, you know what I'm saying? You know, so that was love. But we definitely did have a few conversations in... you know, talk about the whole TD East thing and like, you know, how he thought that shit was clever. He like, yo, nigga, I've been laughing about that shit since last night and shit like that. I'm like, yo, shit kind of got a ring to it.
We should talk.
We should have a conversation, you know what I mean? So we definitely spoke about that and the possibility of sitting down and talking about some shit. But he didn't have this whole elaborate...
scheme set up to get his artist absolutely not nah you know I mean every this whole thing like nobody knew I was gonna come with the rulers back what you said she ain't say nothing nobody she ain't saying work anyway listen nobody knew that I was gonna come with the rulers back and after the rulers back I didn't know what was gonna transpire like when I tell you this shit was rolling with the punches it was rolling with the fucking punches the only moments of like
preparation I had was once I did that Red Bull freestyle and knew that it was sitting with that side for two months. At that point, I'm like, okay, cool. I smell something. Now I can see what's coming. But before that, I couldn't see nothing. You know what I'm saying? Like it was just surprise every day. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah.
I need to start like really talking about like my inner thoughts more. Okay. Okay. You know how you have in the thoughts about things and you'd be like, and then when shit happens, you'd be like, I should have said this two years ago. You ever had those moments where shit happens and you'd be like, I knew this was going to happen two years ago. Well, in particular with the whole thug situation.
When he essentially came home and won his trial, because that was a win. I think he was facing life, if I'm correct. He was. It was like, oh, shit. Shout to Brian Steele. You know what I mean? He was able to go in there. Time served. Make some things happen. Time served. He obviously has restrictions. Can't go here. Can't go there. But something about that never sat right with me.
I was like, this doesn't... I don't think this is the end of this. And lo and behold... Now we have these recorded conversations being, I don't want to say leaked, it's not an album. It's not an album. These conversations are being put out. Yes. And I always felt like the government was going to find a way. Oh, shit. To say, okay, he won the battle, but we're going to win the war.
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Chapter 5: How does the internet influence public perception of artists?
So he was locked up in the greater Atlanta area. We know CEOs come from the same exact hoods that the people that are locked up in. I could see a world where all this CEO took the shit and sold it to somebody. Or knew someone that knew gunning and was like, yo, he's saying all this shit about you. I got all this. Like, I can see that. The interrogation one, though, to me is government.
Jail phone calls, any... No, it's not. COs sell them shits all the time. No, they do not. It's not that easy to get those recordings. Okay. Those recordings are not just on a recorder right here in the office where we having lunch at. No, I know. That's not where those recordings are located.
Those recordings are somewhere where somebody higher up on the chain that works for the correctional facility, that works for the state, They have those recordings. That's not just somebody that's working in the jail. But there's also lower-level people that monitor those calls that then have to flag something if criminal activity is being discussed for the higher-ups to take care of.
If you don't think somebody could sit in that fucking office with their iPhone and play that recording just like this and get that exact quality of what they have on those, I do thinkā I don't think it's that easy. Okay. No, your lawyers can absolutely obtain your recordings. Yeah. He says Gunna's lawyers. Oh, Gunna's. I don't think that. I don't think that.
But again, I don't want to act like a Twitter lawyer because I don't know. Can a Once you plea out, why would the lawyer have access to... They weren't even really co-defendants after the plea, so how would they have access to those calls? Yeah, I don't think Gunner's lawyers did. Thug's lawyers, I think, can get those...
You know, but that's, again, it lets you know when you make a call, this call is being recorded. Yeah, of course. So it's just certain things that you just don't need to be speaking about on, you know, on those calls, on those phones, because, again, you do know that it's being recorded. But I mean, to me, the calls, whether it be with, you know, 21, with other people like
Respectfully, that was more like gossipy, I'm bored in jail calls. To me, the main leak was the interrogation, the two interrogation ones. Like, that's...
different that's not a jail phone call that's an interrogation like yeah to me that's where this shit is nuts and i i don't know at this point someone just tell me the street rules because i don't know anymore there are no street i'm just i i'm not calling i'm a civilian am i calling anyone a rat i don't know that's not i just want to know at this point what are the updated rules listen i'm very confused people need to understand this and and you know it just is what it is the streets and all of that the rules are cold no that shit is only upheld by a very select few
Everybody's not a rat. Everybody's not a snitch. But there are rats and there are snitches. You go through every era from the biggest gangsters. You show me who the biggest gangster was, somewhere in their story I could point out somebody that ratted. Snitching is a part of the streets. And people just need to understand that. That's a part of it.
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Chapter 6: What role does financial literacy play in hip-hop culture?
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Chapter 7: How do artists navigate the pressures of fame and public expectations?
Say that again. Huh? I didn't say anything. Say that again. I didn't say anything.
What was enjoyable about it?
I don't think Punch gonna like that. No, what he said was, if you couldn't hear him, he said he enjoyed the Bobby Althoff and Drake. I was talking about Bobby Brown. It was a separate time. Oh, different Bobby? Yeah. Shout out to Bobby. He just got his masses back for Don't Be Cruel. Oh, did he? Yeah. Oh, congrats. That's crazy. Yes. Bobby Brown. Did you watch the...
Bobby Althoff, I'm sure I'm mispronouncing that, and Drake interview. See, I don't believe you. I feel like you edited it. No, I didn't. I watched the clip. It's funny. I didn't watch the full, like... I watched the whole thing. I've seen a bunch of clips, though. It was entertaining. I still stand on... I'm going to watch it. I didn't watch it yet, though.
I still stand on wanting to hear from Drake, as well as Kendrick, as well as Cole. I want to hear from them with... Black faces? No, not necessarily. Black people? No. If all three of them paws want to sit with me and my white face, I'd be happy to. I'm going to hit him with the culture. I'll be all toughest in the culture. Don't do that.
Cause, cause Elliot dissed us over the weekend and everyone called me and said we was beefing. Elliot dissed who? I saw that. Elliot dissed who? Me? Nah. I saw that. Whoever tweeted it. Elliot dissed me? was very misleading in the... I didn't see it. What did he say? All you podcasters and media men, you rappers that turn media men, you all want to act like you're all a media man.
You had your dream come true. We're all the same motherfuckers. We're the same. Elias journalism thing means nothing. Rob Markman means nothing. Jeremy Hex means nothing. You're a podcaster. You're a former rapper. You're all media, man. I'm a media personality. I'm not a journalist. And I don't want to talk about Cardi's album no more because, nigga, you signed up for the gig.
The gig is the gig. You barely can talk to artists. They want to know what you think about everything. We're doing the same goddamn thing. You want to call yourself a former... I'm still an artist. I'm a media man. I'm a podcaster. I'm a radio personality. I'm a journalist. Like, we're in the same gang, motherfucker. We're in the same gang. My nightmares come true. We're in the same gang.
We're on the same thing. Whenever you crash out, you sound like you just got off the subway. I don't care if you're Maul, I don't care if you're Fat Joe, I'll name names.
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Chapter 8: What insights does Joey Bad@$$ provide about his career and artistry?
What's wrong with that? I feel like that's being honest and real, unlike some of these other niggas that got mics in their face. And just talking. Yeah, I don't feel comfortable talking about Cardi B music, whether I like it or not. Y'all know how I'm coming about Cardi. I fuck with Cardi. Big Bronx shit. I want to see her do anything that she put her mind to. I want her to be successful.
But I don't feel comfortable sitting here talking about her music and saying I don't like it because I know Cardi ain't going in the booth laying down bars with niggas like me and mine. So, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, duh. And her voice, duh. Nigga, you're not supposed to like it. I wasn't I wasn't spitting these bars for you.
So, yeah, I don't feel I don't feel right sitting here saying I don't like a Cardi record. I don't because I know she ain't making it for me. And so, yeah, shut up, Elliot. And to me, that is what does disprove Elliot's point that he was making, because I think that is a form of journalism, what Maul just did. Being honest? Yes, that is a form of journalist. Journalists should be honest.
Integrity. Journalists should have integrity. And none of you niggas got more integrity than me. Cardi is obviously an A-lister in hip-hop, so she's going to get brought up. And I think you didn't avoid it. It's not like we just stayed quiet about Cardi. Yeah. I just feel like that's the whole statement itself. I'm not talking about shit because it ain't for me. It's not for me, but I love Cardi.
Shout out to Cardi, but I don't feel right saying I don't like a Cardi record. I ain't supposed to. That's like me saying I ain't like Cardi's outfit. nigga, she ain't put that on hoping I would like it. Like, to me, I look at it in the same vein. Like, that doesn't... That's not for me.
It's funny, too, because Drake did bring up, I guess, something in that vein with the Bobby interview in regards to him sitting with her rather than certain journalists. The goal is not to be an unattainable dickhead for your whole life and only speak to Zane Lowe while he asks you the most curated questions. And, I mean, Complex... Not to say they...
took Drake, misquoted him, but there was more context to what he was suggesting. He more or less was saying that artists can also go, like Nicki going to Kai, somebody that usually does not speak to people is still allowed to go to something that's not this formal fucking thing. And he said no disrespect to Zane Lowe as well. He didn't diss Zane, but I understood what he was saying,
But it kind of goes back to our conversation that we've had a million times when it comes to this topic. I think there can be a balance of both. Yeah. Nikki and Kai being a example that Drake brought up or even Drake and Bobby, because he's saying that they ushered in the idea of it. I just want to balance as a fan. I'm speaking strictly as a fan.
I want to balance.
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