Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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All right, Rory, we are back. Today we are joined by a very, very special guest, somebody that we are both huge fans of. Happy to see him back. Did not realize until he told us that the last album, War and Leisure, came out 2017. Seven years ago? Eight years ago? Eight years ago. I thought it was four. COVID has scrambled our minds, brains, everything. Time is a construct, though. For sure.
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Chapter 2: What has Miguel been up to since his last album?
And the beginnings of that are still on the album. I think it took eight years to really identify what are the things that are really important and that have continued to they say something about the overall me coming to terms with me and also the value of hitting a point where good enough isn't good enough. You feel me? When you're actually like,
I have something that is important to refine and where I want to go, that's not going to work. You know, not refining it isn't going to work. And so this album is like the main points of the last eight years that kind of tell a story of like, oh man, I hit a point where I'm, I'm really trying to like get my shit together.
And what I found out was, you know, change and growing is like, it's not, it's not a linear path. Right. You know? And it's like, I feel, I think along the way, there were many times like, I got it. Yeah. Like bet. Yeah. I'm going. And,
you know four months later yeah a moment later sonically this album does kind of feel like your entire discography in one project was there pressure kind of i feel like the catch-22 of making a classic album is that everyone is going to want
And even going from Wild Heart to Worn Leisure, you did steer away from trying to make Kaleidoscope Dreams 2. What was the thought going into this? Because there's a lot of like alternative, almost like TRL Blink 182 type style in this. We're at fire. Crazy love. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah, thanks.
Coming back, was there a pressure of thinking like, damn, should I just go back to what I know my core maybe wants for me, which is more traditional R&B, or should I keep this path going? Of evolving my sound? That's always, it's always a question, right?
But you have to, we have to remember that, and I remind myself this, when All I Want Is You came out, what that sounded like in the songwriting, that's not what was happening at the time. Yeah. And my core audience from that album was, when kaleidoscope dream came, that's also not what the, that's not what they were expecting or what it sounded like in the time.
And kaleidoscope dream, that core audience is not the core audience from wild heart and so on and so forth. And, um, I think to answer your question, I would consider myself more like a restaurateur than, uh, no, uh, Every album is like its own restaurant. You know what I mean? There's going to be some... There's going to be a core... principle in the approach.
But the cuisine may be a little different. I'm also the head chef. So you're still going to fill me in the dishes. That's all my personality, all where I come from. But I might bring in some new flavors. It's going to be some new technique even. And so each album is its own restaurant and cuisine experience, dining experience. This album...
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Chapter 3: How does Miguel feel about returning to music after eight years?
There's a real need for change. There's a drive to change. And I think that's what makes it relevant. None of my other albums have ever had that at the core.
Is that the electric guitar? Because the electric guitar can kind of feel aggressive at times. But is that... The reason why there's more of that on this project is because of the energy and the mode that you're in.
I would say most of my, I mean, I think that's the most, uh, the electric guitar throughout my albums has always been a driver. Always a driver. I think that live drums on this album, uh, I think there's a lot of, even tempo wise, there's a few records on, there's more than any of my other albums that feel like they're driving. Yeah. And they're aggressive.
And even on the mid tempo side, new martyrs is still feels. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You, you know, and then there's, there's songs, there's a song called, which is like, um, I lose myself and that feels like there's just a something in there. Yeah. Um,
So I would say that and the drums, but just the spirit of the whole thing is really coming from me, me feeling like I'm not okay with just being okay anymore. And that's fine. Yeah. You know, and I really, I'm demanding of myself to figure it out. Yeah. And, um, that's, yeah, that's, that's, that's where this one approaches. Yeah.
But where would you say that, I guess, new form of aggression derived from? Was that, I mean, in the eight years of you finding yourself in, in different situations, is there a core point where you think that aggression started? It's probably just been building. And, and also I realized in the process that I have, I haven't always been, um,
I haven't considered that my anger and aggression needs to be dealt with in a in a I've never needed to. It wasn't always like something that was like forward facing. You know, I think- It's because it was building. For sure.
Look, this industry and any industry, man, you start to deal with people and people think they can take advantage of you or you get taken advantage of and you learn your lessons the hard way sometimes. But that shit starts to pile up and, you know, you want to take the high road. You want to be on, you know, and on top of that-
you're considering, uh, things that people say, you know, when you're in the, when you're four facing, it's like people say things that they have no insight on. So you're dealing with that. And then you've got the regular shit life. Yeah. Um, I definitely feel like it was just building. I just was like, man, I need to get this out somewhere. Pretending like it didn't matter. Yeah.
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Chapter 4: What personal changes influenced Miguel's new album 'CAOS'?
Like, let's just, let's just do it. And also as a man, it's, Dealing with things directly is way more effective. Always the best way. Just straight. Just get to the point. Let's go to the source and let's handle it. And we can squash it. We can get on the same page and everything move forward. So I think that's the biggest one. Not to hide behind.
people or teams I think being very direct the politics of it all yeah listen get that out the way yeah I mean even on an artist level too because I feel you know outside of you being on classic hooks with your music you've been very particular on who you collab with like there hasn't been many features in your discography like that yeah you know what though I would say in the future I would I would do way more but I would preface it like
I'm not doing no features with nobody that I haven't had some food or coffee or a conversation with. Why is that? Because a lot of artists don't do that.
They just like, he's hot or she's hot right now. I need to get a joint. Let me do this. I'll send you the session. Miguel wants to go to dinner.
Let's go have lunch at least. Let's sit down. Let's kick it. Man, because I... This is like my... I put my heart into everything I do. It's really personal. None of this is like business. I mean, it's business. There's that part of it. But when it comes to the music part, like... I'm really trying. It's really effort.
And then on top of that, then you're going to ask me to post about it and then show for the video and then do you a favor over here. Yeah. If, if, if I, if any of that happens and then like the person is an asshole and I find it out too late. Yeah. It's happened where I'm like, I don't ever want to be around that person. You know what I'm saying?
Like I'm not collabing with somebody that puts ketchup on eggs.
I'm not, we can't do no, we can't do nothing together. Like I don't need anything else. It's fine. It's like, you know what? I'm booked. I'm not going to be able to send that verse back, man. I just can't get on the same level.
We don't see eye to eye.
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Chapter 5: What was Miguel's creative process for his new album?
Yeah, we don't really connect like that.
Not really. You know what I mean? Like, no ill will or anything at all.
Yeah, it's all good.
I don't really ever want to kick it with you. Yeah.
Sorry. I feel that.
Respectfully, I'm just like that. I definitely feel that, though. Yeah. It's interesting, too, that, like, rappers kind of get the...
the rap, no pun intended, that they're the ones that are standoffish or won't work with each other. R&B artists are that times 10. Like if you go with the Coles, Kendricks, Drake, Big Sean, Wale, like that class, they've all collaborated with each other. Now, if you would go with your class, which you, Frank, Weeknd, Party Next Door, like-
R&B people, even with their graduating class, never really fuck with each other like that.
It's a trip. It's a trip. I was just having this conversation, too. We were talking about the difference in support. Also because... I can hear that class in the music and, you know, and it's like, I can look at it and be like, damn, like I did my thing. We did our thing. Like it's, it's in, like I can hear how my approach is like really actually kind of affected.
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Chapter 6: How does Miguel view his music evolution and audience growth?
Like, was I just like too, and I was really adamant too. I was like, I knew what I wanted. Yeah. And I was really sure. Yeah. I don't think that's a bad thing.
That has to be commendable and respectable, especially for Pharrell to see a young artist so fixed on who they are and what they want and the sound that they want to create. I know what you mean, though, because it's like, damn, this is Pharrell. It's big. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I will say this, though. He did... I mean, look, he's a visionary. And he came in and we cut this record that... is a banger. I don't even, I can't find like the, the hard drive that has the session on and it's like, it's somewhere in like in stores somewhere. But, um, but it, it's very much feels like a Prince record.
But if I were to, if I, but me still, you know, but he came in with such a vision and I don't think I was ready for that. I was like, how to clear out a clear different vision. And, um, I've seen in subsequent interviews of his, they've asked some questions like, I mean, you could tell I've thought about this. I've really thought about this. Yeah, this has been haunting you.
Oh, bro, it's been on my mind.
I'm like, man, like, why didn't we? This is the eight years, right? Like, why didn't we?
I know, it was all that. Like, damn, it didn't happen.
If Kaleidoscope Dreams wasn't a classic, I'd say this should keep you up at night. But you got it right with Kaleidoscope Dreams. You got it right. Would that have worked maybe more on Wild Heart? Because, I mean, that was kind of the...
stereotypical fan perspective of like, all right, is he about to do his Prince thing? He's going. Yeah, he's going. No, no. I think on the contrary, this was... I don't even know where this record would have fit. But I do think it would have probably, at the time, it probably would have hit. I think he was right.
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Chapter 7: What regrets does Miguel have about his collaboration with Pharrell?
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Chapter 8: How does Miguel perceive the current music industry landscape?
How many? Are we talking three? Are we talking two? That is posing a question. Yeah.
Even I started to get, everyone's mind warped into hyper sensitive shit because when Kaleidoscope Dreams came out, that would have never even crossed my mind that that would come across that way. But then through COVID, when your mind changes and you've been- Everybody's- internalizing everything being sensitive.
Everybody's a victim. I go back to this shit. I'm like, well, this could be misconstrued. It could be definitely twisted. It was twisted for a second. It's not quite Rick Ross. I dropped a molly in a drink. Yeah, no, it's not that.
Yeah, no, it definitely wasn't that. It's not that. Yeah, it wasn't that. But in 2025, I mean... It almost like when Rory said it early, I was like, you know, it's crazy. It almost feels, it's almost like, should I even play this record? Like if I'm in a car with some girls, it's like, do I put this on? Cause it's just a different world.
Like everybody, nobody understands context or even if they do understand it, they don't care. They want to be upset. They want to be victims. They want to know we cannot listen to this. It's like, bro, that's not what this song is about.
It's not. And do you perform that song on tour? Hell yeah. I mean, are you still in contact with the woman that you drop kicked? Oh my goodness. No. Just while we're on this topic. No, I haven't. I have not.
You know what? We need to check in.
I have not.
I'm not in contact with her. We need to check in with her, though.
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