Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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I am Maul. I'm Rory. And we are back with a new episode for the week. Since the last time we spoke, once again, we've had a tragic, monumental loss in the hip-hop culture, hip-hop community. sadly take off one of the members of the Migos, I'm pretty sure everybody's heard by now, was killed in Houston.
um again another tragedy only 28 years old uh super talented uh this this was one of the one of those ones rory that completely completely just i don't know if it's because i'm getting older and i just like feel things more but uh this this one really really bothered me to wake up and uh received the news that uh takeoff was killed um you know and it's it's It's beyond sad.
It's deeper than a sadness. It's scary. It's frightening. It's an eerie energy. It's a very dark energy that seems to be hovering and entrenched in our culture that was once a beautiful, beautiful thing. And for the most part, still is. But it's time for a different...
conversation is time for different uh change is it's something has to happen immediately something has to change immediately um because this is this is beyond beyond you know what we can even like you know comprehend this is uh It's almost like you don't know what's going on. You don't know what's next.
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Chapter 2: What tragic event in hip-hop culture does the episode reflect on?
And a name like Takeoff and the superstars that the Migos are, I felt like I should have been like, nah, there's no way that could have happened. I read that message and said, fuck. It wasn't that doubt that I've had with so many of these situations like, nah, come on, you know how the internet be doing shit. I really looked at that and was like, fuck.
Fuck. Yeah. Whenever my phone rings at a certain time in the morning, like consecutively, I already know. I'm like, all right, let me answer. This is the third time my phone rang in the last 10 minutes and it's not even 9 a.m. yet. Yeah. And it's like, something ain't right. And then I pick up my phone and my homeboy tells me what happened. And I'm like, nah, I don't believe that.
I didn't believe it. I hung up and went back to sleep. I was like, that's probably just some internet, you know, something happened last night. It probably was out partying and somebody got shot and they just saying that. And he probably was there or, you know, him and Quavo were probably there.
But, and, you know, got up and really started like, you know, checking my text messages and making some calls. And then, you know, found out at that time it was confirmed that it was true. It's, you know, it's just, it's beyond tragic, man, because, you know, these are young, 28 years old.
My age.
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Chapter 3: How did Takeoff's death impact the hosts personally?
Right. You know, Pac was 25, 26, Big was 20. It's tragic. It's like, you know, is this, how long does this cycle last? How long does this go on? And now, you know, we wake up and it's like, we just lost PNB Rock, what? A month ago, if that. A month ago, maybe, if that. It's, you know, it's probably some guys that we lost in between that. For sure. I'm not, I can't remember.
And that's the problem. It's like, it happens so often that you forget some people that we lost, you know, in the mix of it. I don't know what, you know, it's, something has to change, man. Something has to happen now. And I get it. People say it's the music, it's the lyrics, and words are spells, and words have meaning, and the energy you put out, you get back.
I understand, and I agree with those things to an extent. But it still shouldn't be in our culture where it's like this. Actors playing movies where they're shooting things up, and they're saying things, and it doesn't happen to them. Actors aren't gunned down. So it's something that we're doing. I think it starts with accountability. We have to start somewhere.
So let's start with taking accountability. What are we doing?
now and what have we been doing that we can stop doing to change this you know is it the guns is it is it everybody you know being in these and it's reported that this was a private party um you know it's a lot of a lot of i don't want to get into that because a lot of stories floating around and people saying it was there and everybody was searched except for it's too early people yeah so i don't want to get into all of that but
And I understand having security and I understand, you know, you having guys around you that are around you to protect you. So guns are around because, you know, a lot of these, you know, a lot of these artists, they walk around with so much jewelry on them, you know, sometimes millions of dollars in jewelry at a time. So you got to have people around them to protect them. But let's start there.
Like, why do we, one, feel like we have to walk around with all of this jury on, right? Because we back to this with the whole PNB thing. PNB was robbed for his jury, ultimately killed. Why do we feel like we have to walk around with so much money, flaunting so much money, cash around people that, you know, aren't Can't afford these things, aren't doing as well as you are in life.
And we put ourselves in these areas and in these situations where we become a plate to an extent for guys that are hungry. Not saying that this was the case here, but just kind of talking about everything in our community. Like, what are we doing? That we have to change because it's something we have to change. Nobody's going to swoop in and save the day and all of this is going to go away.
We have to be the ones to change how we move, how we act, the things that we say to each other, the energy that we walk around with, the egos. It has to start with us. We have to take accountability because, again, nobody is coming to save us. We have to save ourselves. We have to change ourselves.
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Chapter 4: What changes do the hosts believe are necessary in the hip-hop community?
We don't see them dying at this rate. The artists from those cultures dying at this rate so young from the hands of gun violence. There's something weird. We have to take accountability. We have to take accountability because we can say we want change. This has to stop.
We can yell this every time this happens, but the truth of the matter is it's not going to stop unless we turn it off and we make it stop and we change what we're doing. We change how we move. We change how we speak to each other. This has to... I don't know where it turned and where it became so deadly, but Like you said, Rory, this is almost normal.
We were just talking earlier and it's like, at this rate, who's next? You start to have that feeling like, yo, who's next?
It felt like rinse and repeat on Instagram again. And I was thinking the past 48 hours since it happened, like, You know, you have to think about the podcast and what you're going to say publicly. And I have nothing profound to say at this point. I have to have no solution for anything. I feel like any time we get in these situations, it's like, oh, all right, why was dude there?
His homie should have been there. All right, well, looks like in this situation, it was the homies that did it. It looks like jury had nothing to do with it this time. Every single time we go through this, there's some way we're like, PMB shouldn't have been over there. Or, okay, they weren't even in the hood. They were at a bowling alley. Okay, yo, how come you don't have security?
Okay, it's reports of security were the ones that were around. At what point every angle we go through someone still dies. Because every situation we find, whether it be on the internet, just talking with your friends, oh, well, he shouldn't have done this. Yo, you got to move this way. You got to move this way. But in every situation, trouble was just in his crib, or in Shorty's crib.
Home invasion. Like, any situation you're put in, even if you move the way The other person didn't move. It feels like people are dying. Yeah. So that's... I have no solution. I have no fucking idea. Nor do I even know if it's my place to even talk about it. I just don't know what to do at that point. You could do everything right. Every last thing right. And still, it can happen.
Yeah, it's... Well, you know, let's slow down. First of all, prayers and condolences to the family of Kirshnick Kari Ball. Yes. Known professionally as Takeoff. You know, prayers to Quavo. Prayers to Offset. It's just sad, man. And like I said, I don't know if it's because I'm getting older. These things really hit me differently the older I get.
I never met Takeoff, but it still didn't stop, you know, hearing the news, it still didn't stop it from affecting me and bothering me and hurting me and, you know, getting choked up and, you know, even crying. You know what I mean? Only because it's like 28 years old. You know, I think about when I was 28 and, you know, anytime, you know, I see somebody from our culture, died from gun violence.
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Chapter 5: How do the hosts describe the current state of hip-hop culture?
And it's sad, man. And it hurts. It's going to hurt for a while because... Again, you just never got a negative energy or negative vibe from Takeoff. No, not at all. Very soft-spoken, very mild-mannered. It looked like he minded his business all the time.
Yeah, and it just... You know, from what I know, like I said, I never met him, but just from the outside looking in, very mild-mannered, very laid-back. You know, and it just... It appeared, since we talk about...
When sometimes this happens, oh, look at the energy that was put out, that you had brought up.
Yeah.
It appeared the energy that he put out is, if you have a problem with takeoff, you're the problem. He doesn't look like he bothers nobody. He minds his business. He chills. He makes his music and keeps it pushing. That's the energy that I felt he had been giving off for the past decade. And I don't know if it's just like the Irish funeral in me.
Every single time someone does pass, I'm like, oh, let's try to celebrate them and focus on their life rather than their death and everything. It made me more sad. Look what this kid, he's 28 years old. That's still a kid. I know the internet gets mad when we say kid. That's still a kid at the end of the day.
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Chapter 6: What feelings do the hosts express about the normalization of violence in hip-hop?
I think someone in their 20s is still a kid. Look what he has accomplished. He... The Migos changed hip-hop. Absolutely. This is a staple in rap history forever. They changed how any flow is even presented. This is not just another quote-unquote rapper past. This was a living icon at the time. We have talked about the Migos already solidifying their space in hip-hop history. 28 years old.
I got more pissed off when I'm thinking to myself, oh, look at all the great shit he accomplished.
was 28 there was more shit he could have done yeah and that's what it is it's like his story ends here like that's it and you know it's you changed a genre that's the number one genre in the world at 20 what 3 maybe is when Migos younger than that 2013 yeah so he was 20 19 had changed how we how we even go about this artistry And it stops at 28?
Yeah, it's sad, man. And it hurts. Like I said, this really bothered me, really hurt me. Because it was just... Although it has, you know, and it's sad to say that it has become such a normal feeling to feel like you wake up and you get this news about, you know, an artist from our culture passing due to gun violence and things like that. It still hurts though. You know what I mean?
It still hurts just to, you know, one minute you're with your friends and family having a good time and then moments later you're just gone. And I can never get used to that. I will never get used to that. And just somebody that is old enough to remember what hip hop felt like in the 90s. The feeling now is something totally different. It's a totally different feeling around hip hop and rap.
It's a total different energy. And again, calling me getting older, I agree when I hear a lot of people sit down and talk about this same thing. I agree that it is the music. I agree that it is the lyrics. It is the energy because it's just a different, it's a whole different thing now with this with this music. It's just like, I can't explain it.
And on one hand it's frustrating because I'm happy that a lot of these young kids and these guys find a way to create and make money legally and support their families and make a better way for themselves. But at what cost? Your life? You know what I mean? Like, I just can't I don't I can't make that deal.
You know, I'm not going to I don't I'd rather, you know, these young guys get a job, go to school and, you know, not be celebrities and not make all this money. If it means, you know, you're going to be gone before you're 30. Because of the music you're making and the energy that you're moving around with and, you know, the situations that you put yourself in.
I'd rather just see these young young cats just find another way if it means that we're going to keep losing these guys. So I just can't I can't I can't I can't support that. And it's hard because on one hand, like I said, I love the fact that these young dudes found a way and are creating their own way and expressing themselves and able to monetize that and support themselves and support that.
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Chapter 7: What accountability do the hosts believe the hip-hop community must take?
So you could put every... That's why I also really have nothing good or profound or things to change here because I just watched a situation where it looked like a bunch of people just had crazy impulse. I don't know how you... I don't know how you change that.
And again, you know, just to go for what you're saying... We only just saw that video. We don't know what led up to that. We don't know how that night went. We don't know what happened prior to that clip we saw.
Yeah, of course not. And a lot of this conversation is not all takeoff specific.
It's just everything that's been happening. It's just a culmination of just waking up to news that we lost another artist that we love and we support and that we listen to and we champion. And that's the thing here. Like we keep this, it's like you said, it's a cycle. And how does the cycle end? We have to do something because it seems like
For whatever reason, every time we end up here, it's the same. I said, I don't know how many months ago, maybe a year and a half ago, two years ago, this ain't going to be the last.
Yeah.
This is not going to be the last one.
Yeah.
We're going to be right back to it. And that's what I'm saying. The fact that I say that and I know that it's true, it won't be the last is a problem. This is a problem. We should be able to stop this immediately because we have the control. We got to take accountability. I love my culture. I'm from the streets. I grew up in one of the most dangerous hoods uptown.
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Chapter 8: How do the hosts suggest addressing the issues within the culture?
That's not something I should be seeing at seven.
We're not supposed to see that. It literally, and we don't, we don't understand the imagery and how imagery changes us and it affects us. We don't understand that. But it does. Seeing a lifeless body like that.
Yeah.
Seeing somebody bleeding out like that. Seeing grown men breaking down, crying, screaming. Those things, those images, you can't erase from your mental. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. And then now, like I said, you walk around and you look at people differently because you see how... you know, people will act if your body is laying there. Like, you're going to just record me bleeding out?
So now I'm looking at people like, yo, you wouldn't even try. Your first thought would be to record my lifeless body so now my family will see my lifeless body and see me dying? Are you one of those people that would actually do that? So just now your energy with people becomes different. You know what I mean?
And it changes you because now you become cold and standoffish and you don't even want to let people close to you and you don't want to let... And then that trickles into, you know, intimate relationships with women and things like that. And you become cold to certain just like love because you're like, man, get out.
You don't really like... I see how people act when, you know, I know what you'll probably do if this happens. We don't understand how that changes us and that affects us mentally. And that's why I'm saying it's at a dangerous, dangerous point now because, again, this is becoming... It's scary that this is becoming normal. I mean, what...
I don't know how much we'll ever be able to change the timeline, quote unquote, as far as people sharing that. Because that's just a different monster. I think it's sicker when these platforms, these large, large platforms, not only share the video, but when you click the link... It was a Geico ad before. It was a Geico ad when I had clicked...
Not even knowing video of him passing away, just clicking like, oh, takeoff has passed away. I clicked the link. The first thing that popped up was a Geico ad. To then, which I exited out immediately once I saw, I couldn't even, I just saw legs. I was like, I can't watch this. And I'm not better than nobody. It's just my own personal gut and what I can take.
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