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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Chapter 2: What are the hosts' thoughts on Azealia Banks' comments?
It's like, yo, you could have stayed your bitch ass in the house with that dumpster. Is that what that correlated to? I mean, it is. I get what he's saying. You want somebody to turn and pay you attention and then come fight you. And it's like, I'm not going to be the one to, you know what I'm saying? Like, that shit is crazy. It's weird, bro. It's like a lot of weird shit going on.
And then the thing is, I always notice is once all of this weird shit is over, you go back and look at it and be like, why did I entertain that shit? Oh, that always happens. So that's why I learned from that and I don't entertain the shit in the moment. Like, it's in the moment. It's current. You know, the algorithms, this is popping. And then two weeks later, you like,
that was corny as fuck why the fuck did i even jump in that shit i mean like i just can't do shit for the moment i'm not one of those for the moment niggas like i just i cannot do that well critiques and exchanges and sensitivity was the theme of this weekend i feel like yo so we we fit right into the to the algorithm thanks to azalea listen what happened what happened to the times when niggas just listened to music and just enjoyed it or didn't like it
There was a time like that? Do you know how many people called my phone and threatened me that I better not like this Drake album? That's funny. Now, mind you, I didn't listen to the album until Saturday night. Wow. Like, didn't hear anything. Like, you had hit me, and I was like, yo, bro, I didn't even listen to it. I wasn't one of the people that threatened you not to like it.
No, no, no, no, no. I was actually hoping you would come in here and love it so we could have somewhat of a debate, but... Well, back to that word love. Mm-hmm. Love is a strong word. Love is a strong word. But I will say this. After Saturday, when I listen to it, are we going to get into it now? You want to just get right into it? We can. All right. We can.
I also want to hear about the people that threatened you not to like it, though.
I mean, it was just people calling.
No. It was like, you better not fucking like it. No, it wasn't that type of threat. It was more so like... Yo, I know you ain't feeling this shit. There's no way. I know that's your boy, but you ain't feeling it. And I'm like, bro, I haven't even listened yet. First of all, niggas set alarms to wake up at 6 a.m. That's crazy.
You don't got to say niggas. Just say PJ and Julian. No, no, no.
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Chapter 3: What critiques are made about Drake's latest album?
What's on Yeezus? Drum? Oh, yes.
Well, Hold My Liquor?
Hold My Liquor. Like the way Ye used Chief Keef in that regard is what I would have preferred Drake to do if he was going to go that route. And it just, it was a, how long was his verse? Like 15 seconds? It didn't even feel like it should have been there. Gently with Bad Bunny. I mean, we know what that song is going to do, but not on this project. Rich Baby Daddy, we know what that's going to do.
Fire. Another Late Night. I don't know how you don't like that record. It's cool. It's very God's plan-ish. Away From Home to me is crazy. And Polar Opposites I like. Oh, you really love them. So I listened to the album once I got away from because when we got... What was the single we got? Slime You Out.
I was like, first of all, when we heard it was for all the dogs, I remember me saying like, yo, he's going to give us that all rap, that entire rap project. Even though he said he never would do it, I thought this was it. All his albums since More Life have kind of sounded like a playlist to me. But this one not only sounded like it, the way it's sequenced, it felt like a playlist as well.
But aside from that, I mean, I don't, it's a lot of good songs on here for me, for you to take and put on your own playlist. So I just don't know what people, I think people wanted more rap and I can agree with that. I wanted more rap. But Drew Picasso is a lot of rap. It's a lot of other songs. 8AM Charlotte, a lot of rap. Away From Home, rapping. Polar Opposites, rapping.
If you scroll up, I can see the rest of the names of the... What would Pluto do? Like... It's rapping on here. Now, the music may be a lot of keys and a lot of, you know, melodies and things like that to where it's like, but that's still classic Drake rapping over Bahamas Promises or Try It Out Best. 7969, I don't know how you don't like that.
When Teezo got... Those will be the... You weren't listening. At first, I started saying... I started saying 7969. I like it a lot. Those will be the... T-Zo, T-Zo. That's hard. That's just music, man. I like music, man. I get it. We want to hit Drake. What you want to hit Drake on? Alchemist? Me too. You want to hit Drake on a bunch of hard hit boys? Me too.
But at the end of the day, this is good music. It's a lot of good songs on here. I mean, I didn't look at all the credits, but this album felt like the album 40 may have had the least to do with, and I don't know that to be a fact, and I could be completely wrong, and you could flood my mentions and say, look, 40 did every song.
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Chapter 4: How do the hosts feel about the expectations surrounding Drake's music?
You know, when you saw Mike kind of like miss a shot and miss the playoffs. Like this is, to me, this is the album that I think people were waiting on to point at. And I think they're doing it prematurely because I do think the album is going to grow on a lot of people. I do think a lot of the songs is going to grow on a lot of people. Same thing with Honestly Nevermind. People hated it.
Now you see people playing that album. They love that album.
Mm-hmm.
I just think this is one of those things. But I think that people were expecting a different direction, a different sound, more rapping. I think people had their expectations that they placed on this album due to people like Yachty saying some of Drake's best verses is on here. He's doing some of the best rapping he's ever done.
We were hearing things leading up to this where it was just heightening our expectation. Like, okay, this is going to be the one where we're like, all right, he rapping his motherfucking ass off the whole project. I feel like that ruined shit too, though. Of course you do. People got to stop talking. People involved with albums have to stop talking about the album before it comes out.
Oh, for sure. But that's a part of them rolling out. I know, but it just ruins it. Yeah, but for Drake, he doesn't need that.
Drake doesn't need a rollout. He doesn't, but he never needs a rollout, but he's also very good at getting the cultural consciousness and getting everyone's attention.
Oh, he's one of the biggest artists. As soon as he announced he's in the studio recording, that's it. People are going to start anticipating the project. That's just the type of artist he is. I'm saying that because you place your expectations on what something is going to sound like or what you think it's going to feel like, and then it doesn't, that doesn't mean it's trash.
That doesn't mean it's bad. And that's what I was doing when I listened to it. I'm like, okay, let me remove what I thought it was going to sound like and just listen to the music. Right. And I'm listening and I'm like, these are not bad songs. And it's someone that I probably won't go back to, but it's a lot that I've been playing.
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Chapter 5: What insights do the hosts share about Drake's comments on his album?
He got flow, he can spit. There's nothing wrong with saying that. Of course. And I think Drake will still say that. But we not going to act like because I said that when I was fucking 24. That now it's like, yo, you can't say nothing to me because you was a fan of mine when it come up. Yeah, I was a fan of Pusha too. Said that on record.
I was a fan of a lot of you dudes until I became, I got skin in the game and I became who I am. And now you niggas start acting funny and you niggas start talking crazy about me and you niggas act like y'all fucking me. But behind these doors with these women, y'all kicking my back in. Not saying that that's what this is here, but that's what happens.
Chapter 6: How does the discussion about Drake's beef with Joe Budden unfold?
I'm the young corny kid from Toronto. Nobody ever expected me to blow up. Nobody ever expected I'd take over the game. I tried to get verses from these dudes on the come up. Nobody gave me a verse. A lot of niggas shitted on me.
I think Drake got to get out of that. I feel like that chip is still on his shoulder. He got to let that go.
No, no, no. It's only on his shoulder. It's only on his shoulder. It's only on his shoulder when you shoot at me on some personal shit. Because had this not, that personal shit, again, you don't have to like the album. I'm not saying people got to like it.
But when you start giving your reason why you don't like it and now you're adding personal shit to it, it's like, okay, so it's personal why you don't like my album. It has nothing to do with the songs. It's personal.
I don't think that that's fair, though, because everybody I saw talking about this album, outside of the couple people I saw that liked it, said the same thing. No, no, no. I'm talking about this particular guy. I know, but what I'm saying is you saying that Drake is shooting like, oh, this is why you don't like my album. No, a bunch of people don't like your album for the same exact reason.
No, but again, the personal digs that was in that rant, that's why he responded.
It's also there's a difference between the collective of an anonymous time, not anonymous, but a timeline that has no connection to him as the person versus someone like Joe where they have a history. Yeah. It's personal. Someone made a tweet.
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Chapter 7: What advice do the hosts offer to a caller seeking career guidance?
It was like, it's like you're in the room getting bullied. No, you ain't talking. And there's that one person that triggers you.
And we've all been there.
In this case, it's Joe. He's getting the aggression for everybody else that's saying the same thing that he said.
Again, you cannot like something. I'm not saying you've got to love everything that people put out. But don't start throwing personal shit as to why you don't like it, because now we're going to get into some personal shit. Outside of the personal shots, which I agree.
Chapter 8: How do the hosts react to the voicemail and the caller's situation?
Once you go personal, all gloves are off. You could say, do whatever. Where do you stand with artists lashing out at media, specifically podcasters? Because Drake isn't the only one that's done this with multiple different outlets that get mad when you critique their work. I think that it falls on simple shit like, yo, okay, you don't do what I do. So you never tried to do what I do.
And none of y'all have ever done it as consistent as I've done it to the level I've done it. So if I feel like none of y'all can really tell me shit, I would have a great case to say, yo, listen, what I've been doing is working pretty fine. But I don't need none of you niggas to tell me how to create my art or what I should do in my career because I've done what none of you have been able to do.
Hip hop is the only place where that happens. Because if you look at sports commentators... A lot of them never went past high school to play. If you look at certain coaches, they never went past high school. There's a lot of people that never got to the professional level or even really got on the field, but know how to critique it, know how to teach it, know how to maneuver through.
They're just not an athlete. If you look at any political commentators, They were never governors. They were never presidents. They were never any of these things that they critique every day. Why in hip-hop do artists feel that that is their go-to, that we cannot speak on it because we haven't done it? Which I understand.
When I went on my press run, the first thing I said was I started to feel like Skip Bayless. I'm critiquing all these people, and I've never played the sport. I'm critiquing Floyd Mayweather, and I've never been punched in the face. So I get it, but I think that's very unfair, and I think it's healthy for the culture, for... Outlets to be critical, but also praise and be honest.
And I think that's just kind of what comes with art and entertainment. Everywhere else, athletes have to deal with it. They can shoot back like KD does. Artists should be able to shoot back. But they can't say we're not allowed to critique the music that they are putting out to be critiqued. I think it's unfair. Art is to be critiqued.
Once you put something into the consumption space and people consume it, people have the right to say however they feel about it. People have critiqued...
plenty of Drake's albums he's never really like when when Honestly Nevermind came out everybody hated that shit nobody was like a dance album what the fuck is this like people were going crazy he didn't I didn't see him respond much to that and I'm also not saying that's exactly what Drake is doing here I do think there is some importance of outside of like the shots and the funny shit of telling younger artists like don't let this frustrate you if you feel like you're doing something right don't take these critiques that serious I don't think he's saying we can't critique yeah but
When younger artists see the biggest artists in the world shooting a podcast, I think this is going to continue on. And I think it's healthy if there is back and forth between artists and us. But you can't have that mentality as an artist. So you guys are not allowed to critique this. But it's twofold for Joe, because to have 90 percent of this shot at him, he's saying you tried it.
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