Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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It's saying that it's too late to apologize. It's too late to apologize. Are we on? We're here. We are here. Are we on? We're recording. We're on rail. We're recording, right? We're good. Rail says we're good. We're good. That mirror can't save you now. I just want to know, well, first of all, Rory, it's good to see you. It's good to see you as well. You were out of town over the weekend.
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Chapter 2: How does Mal's monologue impact the discussion on J. Cole?
We saw Drake battle tested a couple of times. Whatever side y'all think he ended up on, whatever, y'all can debate that. This is not what this is about today. So we were like, okay, because Kendrick is a lyricist, right? Cole out of the three, you know, people kind of feel like obviously Drake is the biggest artist, but he's not the better lyricist, right?
He doesn't get the same credit that Kendrick and Cole... As far as lyricism goes, right? Cool. So... Cole decided that he was going to respond, right? So now, I didn't even know the record had dropped until... Well, I didn't know about... I knew the project dropped, but we knew the diss track was the last song. And Rory was like, yo, seven minute drill. Skipped right to it.
So I went straight to it. Downloaded it. I said, okay, let's go right to it. We can get to the other shit later, right? Go to it. I'm like, okay.
Okay.
I wasn't mad at it. I felt like it was a little, why are you sending a warning shot to somebody that clearly doesn't need a warning? He wants smoke. That was kind of odd. I was like, sending a warning shot to somebody that doesn't want a warning, that's ready to fight? I just didn't understand that. But I said, okay, I'm not the rapper here. I'm not the guy. So I said, okay.
Let them have their moment. Cole drops his record. I listen to it. I like it. A couple of bars on there. Some things I didn't like. I didn't like, you know, trying to take Jay's blueprint of how he went at Nas. I didn't like those bars. I thought Cole was a little more creative than that. I see what he was trying to do. It's like a nod to the old rap beef. And this is the new era. I get it.
But I was kind of like, I could do without that. But overall, I just felt like It wasn't enough venom coming from Cole. It wasn't enough venom in his pen. Pause, right? So I said, but then these guys are cool. So we know this is not going to go but so far. This is not going to go into the streets. Nobody's going to be touched.
These guys, for the most part, respect each other and are cool with each other. So I said, okay, Cole did what he did. Whatever, right? But then I started thinking about it and I said, I think Cole put himself in a dangerous position with this because you can't play with somebody and send a warning shot to somebody that has obviously had more time to prep and get ready for this battle.
Kendrick was the way he came out his energy on like that. You know, he wasn't on tour. He wasn't recording. It was like, all right, I'm coming at y'all. And the interesting thing about all of this is, as things have transpired, is that all of this can be pinpointed back to J. Cole started all of this. This is the interesting thing. J. Cole dubbed the big three, right? Okay. J. Cole said that.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of J. Cole's response to Kendrick?
Why are you wanting somebody that has that energy? Was weird to me from the gate. Where I'm from, you don't let a nigga that swing on you say, yo, listen, don't do that again. But he didn't really swung on him. He swung on Drake. He swung it in. It wasn't a haymaker. He swung on Drake and Cole wanted to break it up and Cole got popped real quick. Nah, that ain't what happened.
It's like they were fighting at his birthday party. He wasn't in the fight, but it was at his party. That's not what happened. Y'all got to stay focused. I know y'all dream villas. Stay focused. What happened was- Not anymore. What happened was- That's crazy. What happened was J. Cole dubbed the big three on his first, his biggest record ever. He dubbed the big three. He named the three.
And one of the three that he named said, fuck you, nigga. You not on my level. Fuck your big three. That's where Kendrick went with it. Fuck your big three. It's just big me, nigga. You're not on my level. Oh, shit. That was interesting. Because that record, that's cemented in your record. You showed him love on your first number one. And he came back and told you, fuck you, nigga.
You not on my level. Maybe I'm listening wrong, Ben. I don't know. I'm just the hip hop I'm from. You show me love and extend your hand and I spit on your hand. And then you say, don't do that again. He did say, I'm hesitant. I love my brother, but I'm not going to lie. Powered up for real. That shit would be like swatting a fly. All right. So with all that. Call Kendrick a fly. All right, cool.
So with all that, let's fast forward now a little bit. Just a little bit, right? Everybody feels like Drake is the one that needs to respond. And I said, oh, they called me an OVO dick rod. They called me everything over the past few weeks, right? But it's clear as day. Kendrick never felt like Jermaine was on his level. Kendrick wants one person out of this. One. And you know who he wants?
The kid from Canada. He doesn't think Jermaine was ever on his level. Maybe he didn't want to say it because we cool. So he said it in a way like, you know, I don't really, fam. He was looking around J. Cole. I want that nigga standing behind you. Yeah, I'm with you. I want the nigga from the North. Jermaine, I don't want you. I don't want the nigga from North Carolina.
I want the nigga from North of the American border. I want the nigga from Canada. I want the maple leaf. I want the owl. Tell the owl to come out the tree.
that was clear as day to me so I understand why everybody and that's and to me that's what I'm trying to tell everybody knows who the top dog just say it because y'all only wanted one nigga to respond to this nobody wanted J. Cole to respond no that's not true that's not true I want him to reply for the sport of it no you didn't but Drake is the one I'm looking at everybody is waiting for one person to respond we was happy that Cole responded we took it
okay Cole jump on out there well Drake is the one that got the drink like thrown in his face Cole just got splashed so yeah we're waiting for him to slow down Jamal's point if there's no first person shooter or that tour slow down I don't think we get if we don't get a straight even at Cole if J Cole never says the big three me dot whatever he said Kendrick doesn't even have that verse on like that doesn't even happen
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Chapter 4: How does the conversation about the Big Three unfold?
My chin out there, take it. It's all love. So now essentially what you did, J. Cole, you just told us who was the big three. You, J. Cole, just told us who the big three was. And now you just showed the world that you're not on their level. That's exactly what you did last night. You showed everybody and you told everybody, I am not prepared for this.
No, that's not, I don't, that's not what he said. And granted, I'm not standing up for Cole. I'm not standing up for Cole because I don't like what Cole did, but he didn't, that was, I don't think that that was him giving it. He could never. Damaris, this is what you don't understand with hip hop. He could never talk greasy again about no rapper. No, I completely agree.
He can never say he's the best. I completely agree. And you know the fall off has all that talk on it too. As a rapper, as a rapper, Damaris, if you can't say that behind the mic, anything else you say is irrelevant. He could never say he's the best. He could never say nobody's better than him. He could never say they're not better than him. Bro, that is over with. Not wrong.
I tweeted J. Cole committed career suicide. That was a little extra. How was it extra? Because he's going to be fine. I don't give a fuck what he's saying on the fall off. And I'm a J. Cole fan. I don't want to hear that shit. All of that shit is irrelevant. So I like the EP Might Delete Later, but I listened to it this morning with new fucking ears after he apologized.
And it's hard to listen to now. He's talking greasy through this whole fucking thing. Not even just seven minute drill. He's just talking greasy the way we like J. Cole to talk greasy. Listen. Santa Claus isn't real anymore. I fuck with J. Cole. Think he's a good dude. Carried himself well his whole career. Never was in no bullshit. Solid. He's a goat.
But what he did last night is something you never do in this culture, in this art. You never step to a battle Because he stepped to it. He responded. That's him stepping to it. You never step to a battle and then say, nah, man, I'm going to delete all of that. Now, he did call up Project My Delete later, right? OK, so maybe he felt like before he put it out, this just don't feel right to me.
But here's the interesting thing about all of this that I don't think people is looking at. If this was a battle between J. Cole and Drake. I think J. Cole performs his diss record to Drake on that stage last night. I don't think he ever tells us he's losing sleep. I don't think he ever telling us his spirit is upset. I think if this is Drake that he's dissing, he leans into that diss record.
He performs that diss record. He stands on that diss record. Why do you think that? Because Maul thinks that everybody needs Drake in order to have a successful career. That's not what I think. So why? That's not what I think at all. So why? I think that niggas think Drake is sweet. I think that niggas think Drake is a nice guy and that it's only so far he's going to take it.
For whatever reason, J. Cole is scared of Kendrick Lamar. I don't think that that's what it is. He just told us that's what it is. No, that's not what he said. What are you talking? He just stood on stage and said, I couldn't sleep for 72 hours. Not because he was scared, but because that wasn't in his character for him to hop on. Your character? This is hip hop. I'm aware of that.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of J. Cole's recent actions in hip-hop?
This nigga just makes pop music. You don't just make pop music. What are you talking about? Drake raps. He may not give you a whole rap album. Red Button, Evil Shit, Evil Whatever with Cole. All of that is raps. 8AM Charlotte. Those is raps. Those is bars. I never said that Drake does not rap. That's not what I said. But this is what people got to stop doing. Stop. Yes, Drake is a pop star.
He's a superstar because he makes music outside of rap. Stop thinking that he don't come from rap, though. Stop thinking that he can't get into that bag because he shows us every time he give us a timestamp. That's just him showing like, oh, I can still do that. My audience is just so big now. I make world music. I make music for the world now. So I got to give you a dance album.
Got to go back to the trap with 21. I got to give you that. I got to give you all these sounds. I got it. What Damaris is saying, I do think Kendrick views Drake as just don't put me in the same category as him. Fine. Because I'm successful just rapping.
Chapter 6: How does the panel view the relationship dynamics between J. Cole and Kendrick?
I don't got to do all that other shit. I didn't have to do all this shit. No, you can't do all that other shit. They can't make the music that Drake. Even though I think Drake could take a really cool angle of Kendrick always having to do some type of pop verse. So like the way I do think Kendrick views Drake, I think Drake could say something similar about Kendrick in that regard.
As far as what? You doing Taylor Swift verses to stay relevant. You doing Maroon 5 records to stay relevant amongst the mainstream audience. Yeah, but how you feeling, man? Everything good? I ain't actually, I don't know if I asked you enough of that today. I feel okay. You good? Yeah. All right, man. I'm sorry. I had to, it's a lot going, a lot of emotions today, man. I'm sorry, man.
I didn't mean to. No, I share the same sentiments you do. That's why I just love the ISO. Get it off. I mean, because Rory, you're a little younger than me. So you don't really remember what it felt like to have the beans and kiss. Yes, I do. How old were you? Were you in high school yet? When was Beans and Kiss? Oh, three?
Chapter 7: What are the reactions to the Northeast earthquake mentioned in the episode?
Something like that. You wasn't in high school yet. I was eighth grade, about to go into high school. I went to high school in 04. It's a little different. Yeah, well, I mean, that was... It was just a little different. The older you are, the things you could feel, you know what's going on, you know the dangers that present itself. Oh, I mean, I get that perspective. This wasn't that.
This was going to be... This was going to just be skill. We were just going to see skills displayed. All right, cool. Let's see. This was like... This was like the all-star game. So does my generation have an asterisk next to it now? Oh, you got it. Asterisk, bastards, all kind of shit next to your generation now.
This is one of those things where you know how they like to say, yo, this new generation is... You know, all the negative connotation that comes with it. This adds to that. It definitely does. I can't. I want to defend us. Yeah, no, it can't.
Okay, but also, even though I'm one of the people that thinks if you are going to be considered a GOAT, you do need to be battle tested to some degree with rap. Yep. Why do we put that only on certain rappers, though? Like, to me, I think Tyler's in that conversation. We've talked about, like, the Big Five or who else is on that list.
Chapter 8: How does the discussion shift to the beef between Wale and Meek Mill?
Mm-hmm. Why we only put that on someone like Cole? Because he said it. But even before that. He named a big three. That was kind of our asterisk with Kendrick and Cole when the big three conversation was. I was like, all right, Drake, even though he's taken an L before, he still is the only one that's really battle tested and has proven that he can operate in that arena and win in that arena.
Mm-hmm. Now, but, all right, are we taking flowers away from Tyler because he's probably never going to be in a rap battle? He's just going to giggle with Gerard Carmichael? No. That's his beef. No, we're not taking flowers away from anybody. But we're doing that to Cole now. Well, because Cole is the one that started this whole thing.
So if he would have just been quiet, that wouldn't have put a stain? No. To me, that's where I think Kendrick placed it perfectly. No. Because if they don't reply, there is still somewhat of a stain there. I mean, you could... Cole just handled it the worst possible way he could ever handle something.
You could take that as a stain if you want, but you can never say... Because again, that verse wasn't... It wasn't enough venom to say like Cole wasn't disrespecting and going. I mean, Kendrick wasn't disrespecting and going crazy. He just said, I'm not in a big three. Like, I'm bigging at you. Like, cool. You're supposed to feel like that, right? Great.
I don't think that warrants a battle all out. This record is designed and tailored for Kendrick after that. No, that was my stance from when I first heard it. But now when now when Cole jumps out there, it's like, OK, well, now it's on. It's still on. Just because you apologized on stage does not mean that Kendrick now is like, oh yeah, my bad, bro. I won't drop.
Yeah, Kendrick still needs to reply. I don't think Kendrick is going to reply to J. Cole. I think, yeah, I think he let J. Cole shoot himself. I think they had a conversation. I think they had a conversation and J. Cole told him, on the stage tonight at Dreamfest, I'm going to apologize. I believe 100% he told Kendrick what he was going to do last night. 100%. Then Kendrick's not a good friend.
Why?
Why?
If you guys are actually friends and have agreed to do just a back and forth rap battle, no one's gonna take it further. We're not gonna get into any weird gossipy shit or whatever. We're just gonna see who's the best. And then I put a record out towards you and I tell my friend on the phone I'm gonna apologize on stage? You're not my friend. Kendrick should've said, don't do that. At all.
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