Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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This is, man. I think they're sick of us.
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Chapter 2: What insights do the hosts share about their London experience?
So I know I'm a love nerd. I think I've seen both of them like 10 times. Yeah. No, I never, I never seen them live. And then, um, when rock came out, obviously I was in tune with knowledge of pirate already, but to see him, what he did on that stage live, I had never seen knowledge live before. Obviously familiar. Cause he's on so many rock projects, but, It just showed the difference.
I don't even want to do like ageism here, but when you see somebody that's like of the cloth and been around for a while, the performance is different. Just the way he- No vocals on the track. It's just different when those type of rappers show up. Knowledge is nice, don't get me wrong, but- Seeing him perform gave me a whole new respect. Yeah, he did his thing. Rock did his thing, too.
His set was incredible. But yeah, the festival was dope, man. We had a good time. The weather held up. It started drizzling a little bit toward the end of the show, and that's when we got out of there. But it was a dope event. It was good to get out in London and experience a festival out here. I was a little nervous in the beginning because we were to the side and, you know.
We've made jokes about me in festivals as far as getting on my Karen. Do you know who the fuck my father is? Yeah, you didn't have no laminates. Type shit. You're a lamb to lamb to lamb. Can't put no sticker on my shirt. Yeah, if you ain't got no laminates, you upset. I'm not a civilian when it comes to festivals. It was treating us like we didn't make our bones out here.
You know how long I've been festivaling?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even do this with y'all.
Yeah, yeah. Literally, I should be able to park backstage. That's the fact. I don't even have a car. Right. But just put a spot there for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even if I don't have a car. Yeah. So we get there. I'm like, I'm cool on the side over here. Yeah. But I get nervous sometimes with you of how long.
Because we're similar but different in the sense that if we're in an environment we don't particularly care to be in, we'll leave pretty fucking quickly. Yeah. But we came as a crew. So I just, you know, had that nervous, like, damn, I hope Maul's doing okay. We ride together, we die together, man. That's how we do it. I wasn't going to leave without you.
Then I looked over and I saw you light probably the biggest blunt I've ever seen you smoke. And I was like, oh, okay. Maul's here for the long haul. Once I'm outside and we got an area and I can see the stage and I can hear the music. Yeah. And I can smoke. Oh, I can stay in here all night. I was no problem after that.
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Chapter 3: What happens during the festival they attended?
And the young Sean Dickerson was right next to him. Yeah, yeah. Just rapping everywhere. That was like a parallel universe right there. 100%. We were looking at a parallel universe of you and Sean. And I saw that young kid rapping every word to Rock Marciano. I was like, oh, this was me in 2002 at a GZA show. Yeah, absolutely. There is hope for the youth. Absolutely, man. It's all a cycle.
All of it is just on repeat, man. It was dope to see a lot of the young, you know, white faces of hip hop in the audience. And that kid looks so young and innocent. And I was like, oh, he is... so much life ahead of him. I hope he doesn't get corrupted. And then maybe five to 10 minutes later, I saw him light up what looked like a Newport 100. And I said, nevermind, he's gone. It's no hope.
But that kid is funny. I was like, oh, he's so nice. Nevermind, you're a dirtbag just like I was. But it's funny because that kid may turn out to be one of like the dope, Cool A&R executives. Never know. Managers. He might be that because he knew the words. He knew all the ad libs. He was really there for the show.
It's just good to see younger kids and younger people at hip hop shows, like real hip hop shows. If you had a Rhapsody, you front stage to see Rhapsody and Alchemist and Rock Marciano. If you front stage for that and you know the words, you're a hip hop head. I was happy that you finally got to witness someone calling me more. That was hilarious. And then doubled down. I was like, this mall too.
No, no. And he was like, yeah, no, no. I'm a huge fan. Like, you realize I just said we're both mall, right? Yeah. Then he was like, no, my name is Jamal. Like, nice to meet you. I was like, I'm looking at the dude. Like, you think his name is Jamal? Like, honestly. But he doubled down. Like, of course I know that.
I'm a huge fan.
Come on. It's me. Of course I know who y'all are. I support y'all. Not that I needed a reminder, but it's always fun to get a reminder that Alchemist might be top three greatest producers that's ever lived. I don't think it's even a debate at this point. And I mean, he was a DJ first.
So I love that producers are getting like festival sets, but some of those producers aren't like DJs to their core. So they just play their hits. Alchemist, we know started as a DJ first. Yeah. So how he puts his records together is way better than I think most producer DJs. He like, what didn't he produce? I thought I knew his whole catalog. I was like, yo, he did this record too?
One of the joints, the Jadakiss joints he played, I forgot he did that. Still filming. I forgot he did that. I forgot he did one of the Lox joints he played. And it was another one when I was like, yo, how did that? Like his catalog might be It might be crazier than... I already know Alchemist is one of those minds and brains in music and hip-hop that is one of the special ones.
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Chapter 4: How does the discussion transition to Drake and Jay-Z?
98? Okay. I think The Realist with Cool G Rap was the... I could be wrong. Was the first one that they did, and then after that, Prodigy just adopted... Alchemist. And the rest was history. But no, that was... I did know that. I did know he did Shook Ones. I was thinking of... It wasn't that... Which record was that, P? When he played and you was like, damn, I didn't even know he did that.
It wasn't Shook... It was one of the early, early joints, though. And that's another thing, though. We were nerding out. Maybe I was catching contact high. But when Shook Ones came on... Oh, my God. It's just certain songs that I've heard a million times that will never get old. And to think that they were... Children. Yeah. They were like real teenagers. They were like 16, 17. Incredible.
And Havoc was miking up his stove in the projects and then created that masterpiece. Insane. I know it sounds like nerdy shit, but that stuff still blows my mind. Like, how were you 17 and decided, let me do this? And then not only that. How do you even think that way? When you look around at the crowd of people in an entire different country, that have an accent, and they know it word for word.
Came out in 1995, 1994. And these are young cats at the festival. It's just dope to watch hip-hop just transcend American culture and really just touch the world. Al is on... doing a whole European run. A rock is on the European run. Benny was out here the day we landed. He's on a run.
So it's just dope to see cats from back home moving around different parts of the world and hip hop being embraced. And I mean, even, I'm not just saying this because we're in London, but Europe, like, really appreciates hip-hop. Me and Al were talking backstage. He's like, yo, I'm old. I don't even, like, really like doing the road.
But when it comes to Europe, like, I know we're going to have so much fun because these fans give a fuck about everything that we're playing. Like, that shit is in their veins. They still give a fuck. So, it's just different. I'm glad. My first time going to a festival in London. Yeah, mine's too. I mean, you know that. We've been there together for the last three years. So, yeah.
I know you didn't like it, but... The 30-second little snippet he played of Meet the Grams did get a crazy fucking response. I saw your face. I know you weren't really into it. Yeah. But the crowd did go a little fucking crazy when those first, like, four chords hit. Yeah. Even me, I kind of went like, mmm. It's a good beat.
You remember when Nori was telling the story of how, when Kiss was telling the story of how Nori took his dap back from a guy he thought was with Kiss and he found out, nah, he wasn't with Kiss and he looked at him and took the dap back. I looked at Al and took my dap back. Once Meet the Grams came on, I was like, yo, I was like, yo, Take that back.
What was actually dope about that though was he didn't play any of the lyrics. Like he just let the beat play for like 15 seconds and everyone went nuts and then switched out of it. But yeah, that, That beat is, like, oddly surgical. Mm-hmm. It's, like, creepy as fuck. Yeah. I didn't think it would go off at a festival like that.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of the Universal and Meta partnership for artists?
And I think that's what, once Drake realized that, he's like, oh, I got to go through all of these. I don't want to. No, Drake, we know Drake is very smart. He knew Dame couldn't sell that to him. He did that purposely. Because he knew Dame was going to get on a platform and be like, yo, Drake DM me about this shit. Well, that too. Definitely that.
But I think more so if he was really interested, he did inquire just to kind of get more information on like really what's going on with it from Dame. Like, yo, so what's the, like, tell me more about like the situation, like what's happening. And I think once he found out that, yeah, Drake,
gets it all back in seven years he probably was like it's not really yeah you know i mean it's not probably not worth it all right that's uh my first set of flowers did i get any flowers or no i'll give you flowers though because you definitely uh you definitely i'll give you a dandelion you get it you get a rose you get a rose for that not a whole bouquet okay my next next segment of me wanting my flowers
has to do with Universal and Meta doing a deal. And I don't know if I need flowers in this, but I've been very curious since the beginning of this Drake and Kendrick beef.
Chapter 6: How does the music payout formula change with the new Meta deal?
As to why he's putting all this music out. Why are both of them leaking this initially on Instagram? And I know a lot of people were saying like, oh, because the samples and like, It's about hip-hop. It's about the beef. Like, it's not on DSPs because this is pure art now. They're just going to go on Instagram. Like, oh, I don't know if Instagram's the purest art. Yeah, definitely not.
They should have pressed it on a CD with a Sharpie at that point. But I was always curious.
why they did that i was like there has to be some type of reason reasoning with this at all and then we even had debates of okay there's still affiliation with universal and maybe they wanted kendrick to release defaming things about their biggest artist not on dsps like maybe that's what it had to do with then 100 gigs comes out and we have the debate of like why is drake
posting this stuff on this website, plus only putting these records out on Instagram still feels very weird. And were we here or last episode when I was saying, yo, if he cared about these records, there'd be a proper rollout. That's where I was wrong in regards to everything now making sense. Meta and Instagram... I'm sorry. Meta is Instagram. Meta and Universal...
Have some form of a partnership. And this is coming from producer Damien Young, who's been going viral lately as far as breaking down royalties. I really do like his page. He does explain things for a dumb novice like myself to really understand that type of stuff.
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Chapter 7: What are the key points about recent celebrity deaths mentioned?
So he, last night, put this out. Instead of being paid for streams, artists are being paid for the number of accounts that use their music instead. To put it simply, instead of artists being paid for activity generated by their music, such as comments, likes, shares, reposts, they are instead being paid by the number of accounts who choose to use their song instead.
Which we had some knowledge of this with TikTok when people were using sounds and like that was sort of out there. But now that Universal and Meta have this partnership, I think it goes to a different level. So yeah, again, we know that this has been going on with TikTok as far as using sounds and people being paid out for that.
What Damien Young is really asking with this new partnership with Meta and Universal is how is that formula going to change now? And clearly artists like Kendrick and Drake are ahead of the curve and have the answers to that. But we don't know what that payout looks like whatsoever. I think this deal that they announced is going to Change music the way it changed when DSPs showed up.
We constantly are asking, like, all right, DSPs has to be the final front. Like, where could it go from here? With meta now, it's going to have to create an entirely new formula that we have no idea how it's even going to benefit any artist or creator. But clearly, the biggest ones are already doing it before any of this announcement.
So remember when we were talking, I was like, there's no way Universal's cool with Drake putting all this footage up like that. They own that. There has to be a reason why they're okay with the moves Drake has been making because they still own his shit for the most part. No licensing deal, whatever. But yeah, there's not much to really discuss with this announcement.
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Chapter 8: What relationship advice do the hosts give in the voicemail segment?
I just think we should keep our eyes on it because everything's about to change. But I think we kind of, because when Drake did the 100 gigs thing and one of your first reactions to it was oh Drake had to remind everybody like the catalog the work things he's done but now as we can see it's a different thing coming now with this meta thing and remember when the whole catastrophe of
Universal artists can't be on TikTok anymore. They're not giving in. All of that shit is tied in. Now meta does deal with Universal. Everyone's playing with house money. Yeah. And we're the only ones that'll be fucked. Like, every time we come in here and they're like, yo, finally. Yeah. They're holding out. Yeah. Nope. Nah. This was the play the whole time. Yeah.
And Drake and Kendrick are clearly ahead of the curve of what's going on. Oh, but you know that they're already in...
in the know and in the business of all of these things before we find out about it they know what's going to happen they know the shifts and the moves that are being made so you know now what does what does this do though as far as moving forward when artists make moves like that like now we're looking at every move like okay what is this tied to what is that tied to because everything has to make sense for the artists at the end of the day and this isn't a defend Drake situation at all with everyone's like yo it's just not even charting anymore it's not on billboard like
Does that matter now? Are we seeing the shift where that... How you release music matters more to what you do with meta than it would ever matter with charts? Yeah. Or playlists or DSPs for that matter. I think ego-wise, it probably still matters. Ego. We're talking about ego. Just personal ego. But if you have information...
as Drake of where things are going to shift I don't think you have an ego at all because you know what's about to happen you're probably looking at all of us laughing oh of course at the ignorance like even we don't have to make it a Drake thing with Kendrick putting out Kill the Party or whatever the title will be which we don't even know the title doesn't even matter because it doesn't even fucking matter I was like that Kendrick song came and went did it because it's all over it's all over meta yeah it's not
On DSPs, it's not on any charts. It's not being played, but it's being played where it matters. Right. If this new formula exists. And it's, I guess, the fight back at TikTok. Like, all right, we'll find a partner that will fuck with us. Yeah. And that'll make it valuable for both of us. Our catalog will matter now. Yeah. And we are going to start counting things by the accounts that share.
Rather than the streams. Because they all fucked us up and created the streaming formula. We joked for a decade. What is a stream? How do you even dictate what a stream is? What it costs? You created that formula in your head one day. And now we all have to march by those standards. You value my music at this because you say so. This is fucked up.
I think they're about to do the exact same thing at Meta. They're going to change the formula of how music is valued. Oh, it's valued now by just what accounts are sharing it, not by what stream it gets, not by the amount of seconds it's played on DSPs. They now can create a completely different formula on the fly.
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