Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Chapter 2: What theory does Rory propose about the Big 3's music releases?
We really exist based off what they do. we are a huge part of promoting what they do and keeping that momentum, but not this is because we all love music. At least I can speak for me. I'm sorry. I got into this shit because I love music. And I think that's the root of some of the greatest media people and greatest journalists from inception. They got into this shit because they loved hip hop.
So I see what he's saying. I think the problem is when you talk about this day and age now with so many platforms and people having cameras and mics in their faces, people start to feel like they're something that they're not. People start to feel like they're on the same level as these artists. They're as important as these artists are. And I think that's what Russ was speaking to.
Here is, you know, you're here to talk about what it is that the creators are creating and putting out and things like that. First and foremost, we're all consumers. Yeah. Even if you're a creative, you consume, you know, other art, you consume, you know, something that somebody else creates and puts out. So start there. We're all consumers.
I just think that, you know, Russ is speaking to more of what this young lady was saying as far as, you know, She can make the app shake if she creates a think piece. And Russ's music can never do that. Like, I think she's just a little out of touch with that remark right there. But, you know, I like her confidence. And misguided in what Russ is saying. Like, let's not even just put music.
Like, Stephen A. Smith is bigger than certain athletes. He's more famous. He's richer, has more power, more recognizable than a lot of athletes. But is Stephen A. Smith bigger than the NBA and the NFL? No. And athletics as a whole? No. Absolutely not. And I think that's what Russ was really trying to get at initially. He's not saying journalists exist because Russ makes music. Right.
Because of the shit that we all love, which starts with the artist... Is why you guys have a job. Yeah. And why you guys talk about shit. And not saying that, you know, I don't believe that Russ was trying to allude to her being a journalist is not an important role. No, of course not. I think that's what he was alluding to.
I think he was more so saying like, yo, I think that, you know, there are lines here. There are levels here. And again, you should kind of like stay in your lane. But when you start saying things like Russ isn't talented. I mean, that's your opinion, and she's entitled to that, like everybody else is. But I think in this conversation, in this back and forth, that was a shot. You know what I mean?
That she was trying to demean Russ. You're focused on that response. I'm focused on Russ. This is an incorrect statement, babe. First of all, don't call me babe. We're not babes. I could fart out a think piece tomorrow, and it would make this entire app shake.
Mm-hmm.
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Chapter 3: What are the implications of Wayno's comments on Dreamville and TDE?
No, he's saying straight that then he just say straight. No, he's he's questioning. He was like, yo, so that was fake. Like y'all don't he's saying the relation. He's saying the public relationship of the Dreamville TDE being good together was fake based on what he's saying. He was told at Dreamville Fest by people in Dreamville.
Okay, but he's not, again, you saying that it would have been better to name names. I'm saying there's no way that would have been better to name names. But my point is, I don't think this should be said ever. Yeah, I agree. I don't think this should be said ever.
But instead of, if you feel that confident to say something that you know was never supposed to be repeated in public, then don't throw it on the whole operation. Don't throw the whole label under the box. So name the one person that said it. Yeah, if you feel like you can confidently say this, then name the person you're talking about.
Chapter 4: How does the crew address the concept of gaslighting in their discussions?
That's crazy. If there's 25 people in Dreamville, let's say 10 of them, I'm not even saying artists, 10 that are like notable within the music industry that people actually know their names. And you say the Dreamville homies, and you were talking to two people in the corner that were drunk at Dreamville Fest and was like, man, fuck Kendrick.
Cole Rodden, like 7 Minute Drill came out, fuck Kendrick. Why are you getting on a mic six months later saying, yo, Dreamville was saying that Kendrick never even did shit. But why are you going straight to some two random Dreamville dudes? You think he was sitting with, it was a convention of just the whole Dreamville set right there? I think Wayne knows the same people you know at Dreamville.
For sure. And has a relationship with the same people you do at Dreamville. I agree. So I think that's exactly who he's talking about. I don't think he's talking about some random Dreamville Fest goer that was just standing in the corner talking about Kendrick and TDE. But he's not going to name the names. I think naming the names is crazy. But he's saying that he was there.
He was having a conversation with the Dreamville crew. And now he's saying, yo, y'all gassed him. Y'all was saying Kendrick ain't all of that. He's overrated. Which is, I could definitely, that's what crews do in a battle. Yo, homie, yo, he trash. We go at that. That's what they do. The real crew will give you the realistic of what's going on.
Because even though I like 7-Minute Drill, calling K-Dot shit and doing that Jay-Z scheme, like, oh, your second one was mid, this and that, I think that was bad information to give to your friend, if that's what Wayno's saying here. To gas up to say Kendrick never did shit. I'm not even going.
That's like when the OVO team gassed up Drake to say that Kendrick was molested when he clearly didn't say that in the song. I'm not even going that route, what you're saying. I'm speaking more to you saying that you're alluding to it like Wayno was just talking to some random person at Dreamville that's not even connected to Colin anymore.
No, I think anyone in the Dreamville crew that I'm talking about is connected. I'm not talking about a fan.
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Chapter 5: What advice do they give about handling slang in the classroom?
But Dreamville is huge. But the thing is, Dreamville is huge. It's a big crew. It's a big crew.
So it's like when you say Dreamville, people automatically assume...
Cole he knew that when he said this or if he was thinking at all that people would associate that with like Cole and like his closest homies when it could have been the nigga that they like signed and like shelved like it could have been anybody you're not being specific enough so I think what Julian was saying is either don't say this because this is just bad and a bad look I think the best option was never to say this at all you don't repeat things like that why not
Because, come on, man, we've said stuff. What is wrong with saying, yo, your crew gassed you and downplayed Kendrick. And I was looking at y'all like, yo, y'all serious? Like, what are y'all talking about? Put it this way. No, because here's the other thing. He was saying they was backstage saying Kendrick had not done anything. Right.
And he's saying like he and he said like, yo, what are y'all talking about? Why would y'all say that? Clearly, they didn't gas Cole because he went on stage and said the complete opposite. Kendrick, you're the fucking greatest. I bow out. So they didn't gas him at all. They're talking about private conversations backstage. Right. Nobody gassed Cole. Cole did the opposite of somebody gassing.
Right. But what I'm saying is. If they gassed him, he would have went on stage and said, fuck Kendrick Lamar. We know that Wayno has that access, which means anybody that's close to Cole could have said that. And Wayno not naming no names to me says, I'm not going to put homie's name out there like that. This ain't no rando that he's talking about.
This is somebody directly affiliated in close proximity to the artist that we're talking about. But you don't see the problem with someone that would call Wayno not only a colleague, but a friend, telling him that information in confidence, and then for him to turn around and say it into a microphone and project it onto a platform. Yeah. Cool. And now everybody's sitting around talking about it.
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Chapter 6: What are the key takeaways from the voicemails shared in this episode?
But the important part about that is... I'm not saying what Wayno's saying is a lie. I'm not saying you're saying that. But I don't think it should ever have been repeated. I'm not saying you're saying that. And cool, you're entitled to that. What I'm saying is you then said or say a name. And I'm like, that's absolutely crazy if you did that.
Well, because when you... Maul, if someone says, oh, uh... The new Rory and Maul crew. Yeah, exactly. Like, if I have... If we have beef with someone in podcasting, individual, irrespective of everyone in the room, if I say, you know, it's fuck so-and-so, And then someone hears that and says the Rory and Maul crew really fucking they're capping because I saw Rory at the show at Homeboy last week.
But then I heard the crew like they were shitting on him. Then it's like you're speaking on behalf of a crew. Each of us have individual relationships with everybody in this media space in the game. My relationship with an artist could be drastically different than your relationship with artists, even though we both know them. So my point is, don't speak. Don't group speak.
Don't say something that represents everybody that could be involved with the Dreamville team. Especially with a crew that big. Yeah, especially with a crew that large. But what did Wayno say that was so bad that you like, yo, you shouldn't have repeated that? We're in the heat of it. What the fuck? Hold, hold, hold. And I'm not yelling because I don't want nobody to think I'm mad at no artist.
I'm not mad at nothing. Truth be told, I don't care about enough of this shit to be mad at anybody. I'm just trying to get y'all thought process on how is what Wayno said an issue? Because let Dreamville speak about it. Let Dreamville speak. Them niggas don't want to speak about nothing. That's not true. They talk on Twitter all the time. Just put the record out. Eve replied to it.
Eve replied to it. What was Eve's reply? Something clout chasey. Something like that. You said doing something about... First of all, I don't think Wayno is clout chasey and Wayno is a friend of the show. Thirsty for clicks. And I'm also with you. I don't care that much, but...
I think so. He's a, Wayno is an example. I think the conversation overall, we're never talking about a specific person, but overall it's just like, okay, there, like he said, there's, first of all, the reason why he said, don't name names. Like you just use the new Rory and Maul example. You're putting other people in the mix when like J Cole is the head of Dreamville, right?
We're all important on this podcast, but when it comes to this podcast and the crew that Y'all are the figureheads for this. So anything that we do when it comes to y'all that anybody says, oh, the new Rory and Maul crew reflects on y'all. So it might not even be a point of view that y'all agree with.
You might not even be aware of what's even happening. There's been times Julian has posted stuff and the entire internet said, I sent him out to post that and we hadn't even spoken in days.
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