Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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Chapter 2: What is the significance of Nas' beat selection?
Okay. Fat, juicy, and wet. Yeah. Or, last time that I checked, it was fat, juicy, and wet. I don't think the last time that I checked is what I'm saying.
That's definitely not what they're supposed to say.
No, Bruno should have checked in is what he should have done. What's happening here? Welcome, welcome. What is happening? Listen, man, I don't dislike Tommy Richmond. I thought his remarks were... Sometimes people just shut the fuck up and think about what they're saying. This is another ploy. You guys called me crazy for saying that they're just using Sexy Red as the fill-in ghetto girl.
Is she the token black girl? Yeah, the way they tried to do it with Cardi, they're now doing it with her. And Tommy Richmond coming off that, this is so label put together, it's kind of disgusting. And the song's probably going to be great. I think it'll be far better than the Bruno one, but it still looks nasty as fuck. That's... I don't know about... Well, we'll see.
I don't like to... Tommy don't miss. I loved his project, but... It's very Post Malone-ish. Saying Tommy Don't Miss is just hilarious. Like, we acting like Tommy Richmond is, like, this legendary, like, not saying he's not, you know, a good artist, but saying he don't, like, we know the people that don't miss. I don't know if Tommy is in that conversation.
He's not on the Don't Miss Mount Rushmore. The disclaimer's coming. The disclaimer's coming.
When I say Don't Miss, it means that Tommy, Tommy, Jackson doesn't miss.
Like, Jared doesn't miss. Like,
Tommy makes music that is hard not to like he's not taking a huge risk. It's palatable. It's palatable. Easy on the ears. Yeah. It's not going to be the greatest thing in the world, but it's not going to be bad.
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Chapter 3: How do artists navigate the music business today?
Like, yo, mango madness snapple in a slice, that's chicken head. And she daily put 99 banana in it.
No, that's broke college student shit. No, for sure. That's broke college student shit.
smell the pink oil moisturizer all over coming down the hallway right there that's how I know you old talking about pink pink lotion pink lotion old as shit I have I have grown sisters I lived in the house with all kinds of everything I've seen it all yeah bro pink oil straightening combs in the kitchen yeah yeah like all burnt necks I know the smell of all these weird things walking around the house that's part of the smell growing up in the black house it's just right there for you who earlobe is who earlobe is burnt I smell it
Maul used to blame it on his sister when he was cooking something else. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't talk about that, though. You see how he always started to expose you. He's like burnt hair in here. We talking about Tommy. We talking about Tommy right there.
Oh, yeah, she was flattening her hair.
No, not Tommy. Why do these pots and pans look like this? We had to do what we had to do, man. These spoons are fucked up.
Making great mashed potatoes everywhere. Were you nice at cooking crack dough? Because a lot of people acted like it was nice.
What is happening? What's happening right now? Like, what are you asking me? No, like, did you really had a wrist though? I've never done that. I've never done those things. Hypothetically. No, but like for fun. Oh, hypothetically, yes. Like the way people lie in raps. Oh, in raps? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know how to, yeah, yeah, yeah. We can break that down and that's going to lock up.
It's going to come right back. When I met you, you worked at the hospital, right? Yeah. Yeah, I had great times at the hospital. Shout out to the pharmacist for the hospital. You ain't out of town a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Healthcare on the East Coast. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's got to count for something. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Chapter 4: What insights are shared about the future of hip-hop?
That's the only point I... That especially, without getting scientific, that for sure, but... As someone who exists in this business, fellas, whoever's like in control of this, whoever's in charge, fellas, this is not a good idea. Like to keep going in this direction, the people who are pushing the buttons on this, this is not a good, we can't sustain this model. It won't last.
This is not a good idea. And the crash will be epic. What is a career right now? It's subjective. It's being a personality. And then you also make music as your commercial. Totally subjective. Totally subjective. When I sit down with a... If I'm ever sitting down with an artist, I have a client, my first question is, all right, what are you looking for? What do you want this to be?
Pit, show me what success looks like to you. And the answers, as I've gone on, have gotten weird. Wide and weird. Like, I've heard everything from... I want to use this to launch my clothing label. I want to use this to get into movies. I just want some commercials too. I want a tour. I don't really want to put albums out. I just want to be on tour. I'm not really looking to, you know, be albums.
Or, yo, I'm trying to do like, you know, I'm trying to get that Drake run going. I'm trying to, you know, 10 years, bunch of different albums. I want Grammys. I want plaques. But the list is like wide. Some people just want to be known on their block. Like you asked me what a career is. They don't know because they rarely see one. Like you said, it's right in the pocket of what you're saying.
The examples are not really there to show you why. It depends on where you're looking. Because if I'm looking at a drill rapper and he's, His age, he's famous in our school. And my world revolves around this one neighborhood and this one school. This kid is like the hero. And it doesn't matter that he won't be here next year.
It doesn't matter that he's got like maybe one or two of these songs in him and then people get bored and move on to the very next one if he even gets that second one off. He could be gone by the second one. Again, the health of the business. Like, trying to sustain that shit. And I'm just thinking about the overall, like, the music industry has done plenty of good for plenty of people.
As foul as it is, but it's no fouler than any other business. No fouler than any other industry. We talk about this one because it's the one we're in. We talk about it, like, sometimes we talk about it like it's a unicorn. Like, if you go into... Textile manufacturing, they don't have the exact same kind of fuck shit happening over there. It's everywhere.
This is the one I care about because this is the one I'm involved in. And fellas, the overall health of what you're doing is not... You can't sustain this. And the crash looks crazy to me. Like almost we... CDs are not really a thing anymore. You're going to buy a bunch of flash drives and push your music on the street that way? Going back to the trunk is almost non-existent.
We've almost made it so you can't... The laptops don't play CDs. They only play flash drives. Flash drives cost a little bit too much money. And I have to get an adapter to put the flash drive on. With certain... You know what I mean? The technologies box you out of being able to do it hand to hand.
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Chapter 5: What are the implications of communication in friendships?
Not when I'm around. So, you know, some shit makes sense. Some shit just doesn't. I didn't communicate with him cause I wasn't asked to. And it's, it's not, it's not my, It's not, for lack of a better term, it's not my place. Okay, but is that something you at least check in with him on? Of like the status of like what's happening? Or you have so many resources.
I couldn't see why math would hit you to be like, yo, this is what's going on. Is there something you can help out with? That never happened. Okay. I just feel like somebody like you would be the first call with the resources that you have and could provide to keep that movement.
Yeah, sure.
But that never happened. If that was the case, I don't think we... If he had asked and I could figure it out, of course I would. When have you ever asked me for something and I said, nah, go fuck yourself? Never. Or didn't even answer the phone for you?
Chapter 6: How do personal relationships affect decision-making?
Never. If I'm not answering the phone, I'm busy as fuck. I am like... working on albums with, like, an icon. So, like, my days are jumbled up, and if we're not filming a show, then I have things that I definitely need to put my attention to. But juggling wasn't a problem, and anybody calling me for anything, it's nothing to be like, oh, okay, I got you.
But, like, you know, if I don't have it, if I can't help you... I'm not going to pretend I can. You think there's a window with this shit? Because, I mean, the podcast world is so unpredictable with fans, algorithms, everything. With the steam that y'all had, you know, being one of the top shows, is the window small to come back? Just the way shit operates and how quick everyone moves.
How quick do you think you guys need to come back? It's not risk-free, right? I'll give you that. I'll say that. It's not, I can't, I don't have a, because they also say absence makes the heart grow fonder. You know, we were obviously providing something that, you know, was different from our peers. We don't do what Rory and Maul do. We don't do what Joe Budden does.
We don't do what Drink Champs does. Not in the same way. We're all doing something different. Your voices are unique. Mm-hmm. Again, wherever Rory and Maul go, it's Rory and Maul. You can't duplicate the voices, right? Wherever my expert opinion goes, it's my expert opinion. You can't duplicate the voices. You can't duplicate the energy.
Chapter 7: What ethical dilemmas arise from past relationships?
So if people miss that, then there's always going to be a window for something that somebody misses. You know what I'm saying? But maybe the main eyes are like, I heard that.
Oh, stop. Sorry, no.
It kind of goes back to the casual fan combo we were having. There's podcasts that I'll watch all the time and if I start clicking other shit and somehow they get out of my algorithm, It's not at the top of my mind. Sure. Because it doesn't pop up. I just think that's how we're kind of trained with everything now. I've fallen off with podcasts, not because I dislike them.
It's because with all the busy shit I'm doing during the day, sometimes my algorithms is what's going to be the thing that I click that day. For sure. So, I mean, that's where... I think not a window would be small because you guys have already built a core fan base that's always going to be there. There's a million subscribers on that show. Yeah, it's incredible.
You guys were the only podcast that... I don't want to say late to the party because that sounds disrespectful, but it's not. When everyone, the podcast boom hit, everyone tried to do a podcast and they all failed.
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Chapter 8: How does the podcast community navigate changes and challenges?
You guys were the only ones that came in after like the core and passed us. I see what you mean. Yes. The only one. And to me, that was like the most unique shit ever. When Matt launched it, I was like, oh, this is really good conversation. But this is when everyone has a fucking podcast because they saw what the rest of us were doing. Y'all were the only ones post-boom that actually stayed.
So I do think, of course, no matter what, the window is open. Yeah, there's magic. With, because we've been through it, so you know there's no judgments on this side. We have a little therapy session. What have these ups and downs been like with people leaving the show, messiness, new podcasts? Every single day they're talking more about what's going on with the cast rather than the actual show.
What has that been like? Because you've been, I feel like, the only one from the original cast that's still there. I'm not even the original cast. Oh, yeah, I guess you're right. Yeah, no, I'm second generation at best. I'm not even the original cast. And I think there might have been an iteration before. between the first and the second, I might be third.
Um, but the question is, what has it been like? Yeah. Navigating with, you know, now that we have bag fuel, them leaving the space ghost situation, like there's been a lot of drama with that show. And who are we to fucking speak?
Um,
We've had the same type of shit, but... I don't know if we had the same type of shit. Public breakups. Fallouts. Yeah. And like they, I mean, even... Everybody is. Part of our breakup was on their show. Like we've had public shit often. How about that? How has that been?
Because I mean, I know you still have a great relationship with the guys at Bag Fuel and I don't know your situation with Space Ghost, but how have you navigated that? Like who gets who in the divorce? Because... I still love Savon, but you know, it's weird. Nothing. Nothing's weird for me. It is. It's going to sound very anticlimactic. I'm chilling. Okay. I'm really, I'm chilling.
I don't have any beef with anybody. I don't have no smoke with nobody. Me and math is still in business. Me and Esso are cool. Me and Heineken are cool. Me and Space are cool. These people were mentioned and didn't do anything to me. You know what I mean? And I also live by a very specific philosophy. My father told me a long time ago, if you didn't...
violate somebody's kids violate somebody's wife send somebody to jail to take somebody's life it's not that serious you can work it out you can figure out a way to coexist with that other person on the other side of that thing money loss you can give it back food gone you can give it back like time gone you can you can make amends you can you can figure that shit out the only four
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