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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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I didn't listen to the Frank Ocean Blonde album in a while.
And on the outro, Frank said one of the sickest bars I've ever heard in my entire life. It made me feel uncomfortable. The Blonde album. His last one. He said on his outro, I don't fuck bitches anymore, but your bitch my exception. Get out of my four-door. Can we talk about how sick that shit is?
Imagine a gay or bisexual guy coming up to you and saying, yo, I don't fuck bitches, but I'm gonna fuck yours. And they'll get out.
Now come get your chick out my four door. I like that though. Cause it's kind of like, it's letting you know, like, I really don't like your girl, but I just know I can. And I dislike you that much.
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Chapter 2: How do co-signs impact R&B artists?
This person blew up or they had a moment on the internet already. So with no label, no nothing, Pink Sweats is making bags off of R&B. Nobody's getting independent money at that time. Maybe Daniel Caesar and like Brent Fires. That's like three people. I just jumped into that pile. Now you put me into a pile that says your cap is here. Whereas in the same time, Bozzy came out.
I don't know how Bozzy came out. And I like Bozzy, actually. I know him. Good person. But I see the benefits of, like, the system. For sure. And when you're pop, that literally take the word away. Your bag is different. Like, period. The bag, the pop bag versus, like, what you would say an R&B bag is, it's never comparable. Like, it's always like, dang, like...
You can go and do... I'm R&B, but technically to the world, because I'm an international artist, people look at me still as R&B pop. So I can do brand deals literally in the world, like outside of America, and people put his face on this or do that. But for a lot of R&B acts, that's hard to do because it's like... A lot of the world doesn't co-sign American culture. Drugs, sex, things.
They're very protective of their societies. It's like, oh, we don't need to hear that. So that's why rap is not really international like that. It's very regional. Yeah. It's like 50 Cent's hot in America, and he's one of the people who actually got to go international. But that's not normal. For sure. To be like, you know, in Germany, you got German rap. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I guess... So the bag... That's what changes the game. The bag you get.
The pop bag is a lot different. And a lot of white artists are able to be pop artists and then dabble into the R&B when it's beneficial to them and then be able to go back to the pop bag when it's time.
100%. And they know that.
And I won't say no names because I know it's your man, but Justin has maximized his life with the ability to stay a pop innocent guy and still go into R&B and do fuck shit.
But is it pop innocence? Yeah. I'm not even defending him because I know him. I really think just... It's kind of like the flip side of where I'm sitting.
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Chapter 3: What challenges do R&B artists face in today's industry?
like R&B I think all of us grew up in a household where that's what we heard that was like our introduction to music gospel and R&B every sample that we love on every rap record is a R&B record they done wore the 90s out I'm tired of like shout out to the people getting they money but I'm sick of hearing the same samples oh nah listen I can't stand that shit do something else but you understand why that's probably the greatest era of music it's just the same beat it's probably the best era music wise the 90s
I think we got some of the best music that we've ever gotten. Yeah, I think that's subjective.
You could make a good case all around. It ain't the early 2000s. We know that. No, I mean, I love the early 2000s. I wouldn't put it number one.
Definitely not number one.
But if you get into the 70s from an R&B perspective.
70s is crazy.
But if you're saying all music in general with the 90s between rap, R&B, alternative, everything, maybe you could make a case.
I don't know about the greatest era. I think it was just...
monumental moment sound wise things started to really change and be accessible for like producers to make certain textures and like I think it was just monumental but when I listen to Stevie Wonder I'm like man y'all got me chopped like you not touching Stevie Wonder so even now I feel like the 80s is probably the most bro taken from right now as far as sounds and electronics the synth sound yeah is definitely 80s shit mhm
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Chapter 4: How does the perception of R&B artists differ from rappers?
is a pop act to me. They make pop music.
Yeah, CeeLo's very good at adapting. That's something that I noticed with his career, at least when I was super a fan. He was definitely good at blending. And I feel like that's a good sign for artists to know when you can be a true creative artist, doesn't have a box. And most people in the industry are not as creative as people think they are. They're just artists.
And there's no diss to artists because that's still an ecosystem there. But I think it needs to be a special space for the raw, creative people who are like, I'm a sponge. Like, if I sit with this person, I will absorb everything and I'll be able to do this better than them. Like this. But some people... It's like...
algebra like i'm not i don't know algebra i went to a hood school i didn't learn that it was fighting yeah so i missed that they was fine but if you ask me no child left to figure something out in life i'm gonna figure it out like i'm like oh how do i get from here to here i'm gonna figure it out because that's just how my brain works but with algebra it started i'm like uh
Because that's more of a structure than it is a feeling.
Exactly.
And I think you're probably more passionate about music than you are with solving for X. Yeah. No, a lot of artists are. Solving for X. Listen, I can't do my own taxes, but I know how to solve for X and do long division. A lot of artists are just news anchors. They're just good at delivering shit. Like, here you go. Here's the script. Here's the video behind you.
You look good and you can talk really well and you can deliver this sentence better than the person that wrote it. So here you go. And then they get all the credit as if this news anchor is the leader of our country.
This person represents everybody.
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Chapter 5: What insights does Pink Sweat$ share about financial literacy in the music industry?
Nobody tells you, bro. And like, I'm grown, bro. And I be feeling like, dang. Nobody told me that when you get the money... That's not the end. Because people think, yo, I got $3 million. Or some people, you might got $20. But whatever lifestyle you live in, if this is the last check you ever get, can you sustain that until you're damn near 80 years old?
No. Yeah. You can't.
I see what you're saying. Because you went and bought the mansion immediately. You didn't think about investing into a 401k. You didn't think about a hedge fund. Anything. You didn't think about investing into... Quality thing. You're just giving your friends money. Oh, yeah, my man's selling hats. And no diss to somebody selling hats because some people actually get money.
But we're not taught to evaluate things critically because we're so creative and nobody's championing being smart. And not book smart, but life smart where you're making good life decisions. And nobody's going to make all the right decisions.
Chapter 6: How does Pink Sweat$ perceive the impact of lifestyle choices on financial sustainability?
But we don't even have a platform, especially singers. It's so many talented people that just... Lose because they don't know. Because all the singers who going through it or been through it, they not talking about it. I've been through it already. I've not been out there long, but I've made some money. I've made bad financial decisions.
I made some great decisions, but I don't feel like I should... I feel like there should be platform, especially in 2022, where singers can now discuss money. And even rappers should be discussing to the public, like, yo, it's not what you always think. I know my image is this.
Because the one thing we don't want to hear is somebody we've seen shining and flexing on everybody three years later or three months later. you know, the label this and da-da-da-da. Man, you might be saying all facts. I don't care. Because you flexed on us. You had the seven rollies on his arm. I don't care now.
I like when dudes like that go broke, though. I like that.
But see, that's what I'm saying. It's not a hater thing. It's just because we know in our mind you're flexing on me. You trying to shit on me. You trying to shit on my dad who's an everyday working person. I get more money than you get in the deep. And that's fine. But remember, the same people you see on the way up is the same people you see on the way down. And one of my old heads told me that.
And somebody did that to me. Somebody thought they was about to be on. When I was just writing songs, I'm befriending this person. And he flexed on me because he was working with some really... I think it was Drake, actually. He was working with them. Flexed on me. Leave me on read every time. But when you wasn't on, you was blowing me up.
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Chapter 7: What does Pink Sweat$ say about the importance of authenticity in the music industry?
And I answered every time. Yeah. And then I become an artist. Oh, he looks so familiar. That's my man. No, you're not my man, for real. But I'm a loving person, so I ain't going to never hold it against you, but we're going to have to have a conversation. Remember when you did that?
When I did that? Oh. Not you. I fuck with you.
He said, that was me? He's like, the way you pointed, like, I know. But a lot of people, that's the culture. Like, people want to flex on everybody, but then you want empathy and people to care when you're not winning. It's like, no, you should have played it cool before.
But that's the insecurity thing and how the entire entertainment business is set up down from the labels to social media to the fans and how they big people up based off things that don't really matter that aren't music related. Because even... I can't... It's not an excuse, but it is to some degree of a young artist coming from a place where he would have zero financial literacy at all.
Even the joke I made before, I could do long division and solve for X. I can't do my own taxes. There is no setup. Especially outside of that just being an American thing.
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Chapter 8: How does Pink Sweat$ define true love and its significance in life?
In the music industry, it's even heightened. You're going to have a kid that has no idea what the fuck is going on and you're going to... You're offering me a quarter million dollars, which I think is for me. It's not. It's for a budget. And I'm going to spend all that shit up and have no music at the end of the day because I think that's my money.
And now I'm sitting here like, yo, fuck the label. And granted, I agree. Fuck the label. But because they're taking advantage of you. And so I can't really get mad at that. It's capitalism, though.
I hate when people say that, bro. I understand. Some people feel some kind of way. That's feelings. That's why you were creative because you think like in your feelings. I'm a creative. I'll be in my feelings, but I'm also a business person. I started my life selling calendars when I was six because my dad didn't want to pay for the trip.
So I was like, I know I appreciate a dollar to a certain degree. You sold chocolates? I sold chocolates. But my dad never... You know how they do the school fundraisers? My dad wouldn't let me do that. He'd be like... Better make them money. Sell your own chocolate.
We just had a conversation about that shit. You know what I'm saying? You sell a whole bunch of shit, then they give you a football out of the magazine. It's like, wait, I just get how much money I gave you? My dad was the killer of all dreams to me as a kid.
No, that's some smart shit. Yo, they're taking advantage of you right here. I'm like, nigga, I just wanted a toy. Like, damn. Let me go sell all these cookies at church and get my damn light. Right. He was teaching you? But he was schooling me. So for me, I'm a hyper emotional low key. Like, I see everything and I feel it deeply.
But I also have that side from like my pops where it's like, put that to the side. What are you trying to accomplish? How do you do it? So it's like with the label, it's just capital. It's business. But if you come to the table and you really ain't worth nothing, you done hyped yourself up thinking I'm somebody. But you ain't proved that yet. That's like Apple, Google.
That's like all these big companies. They not... Like, man, I feel like I got got when they bought me. It's like, no, we evaluated you in evaluation. You sold zero. If anything, you got the better side of the deal. It's like if you've done this, donuts, no glaze. Yeah. And they give you a quarter million dollars.
you know how long it take to make a quarter million dollars as a everyday upstanding citizen so it's like if you've proved this much and they give you that quarter million at that point you have the upper hand because you really can stop making music but that don't happen no more by the way that's the old thing now they look at algorithms and you have a whole bunch of algorithms on social media you got views and they can evaluate it that way and now they're undervaluing shit before there used to be artist development where they would invest in a zero what
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