Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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All right, take two. Welcome back. Damaris dropped her mic on the original intro, but we are back. We are back. Happy end of the week. It's fine. End of the week. We were talking about the weather. End of the week. You guys didn't miss much after she dropped her microphone. We are back. We are with our guy, Zip, on this lovely Friday, Netflix, Saturday.
Netflix, Zip is in the joint. Netflix, Zip right there. I ain't gonna lie. Zip be acting mad different when he on Netflix. That is a lie. Like Netflix, yeah. I'm just calling it out now, Zip. He be way more mysterious. They don't know me on Netflix. They don't know me on Netflix. You know what I'm saying? He acting different. Pit Cat gonna be like, yo, you acting mad different.
They don't know me on Netflix yet, B. They don't know me over there yet, B. Yo, so... So, Zip, it's been a lot of... A lot of old old head slander going on, I think, in hip hop in the last few few months. And, you know, obviously me and you are from a different a different era of, you know, just rap and hip hop. We came up in the 90s. Right. So
Rory has said, first of all, we're back sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited Talk, Text, and Data. Let's start there. Let's start with that. So I got my guy, Lil Yachty. Shout out to Yachty. That's my guy. He was on Bootleg Kev. He was on Bootleg Kev. Shout out to Bootleg Kev. We support Bootleg Kev. We love Bootleg Kev. He always gets the good clips.
Kev? Yeah. He get people lying about fucking $20 million football deals and shit. Kev get the best.
Turn it down to go to rap. Turn it down to be a rapper. That was crazy. I turned it down. The illest shit I ever heard in my life. The math was crazy. Like 10, 5.
10, 15, 5. You forget 15 million?
I turned it down. Oh, man. But Yachty and his crew was up there. Shout out to Yachty. And he was talking about just the origin of rap. And back in the day, the music not being good and it being weak. Specifically, quoting Sugar Hill Gang.
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Chapter 2: What are Lil Yachty's comments on classic Hip Hop?
But Ebro, we're going to talk March 19th. Don't worry about it. Until I buy your hat. Yeah. Never mind. Go ahead. Oh, you was talking. No, no, no, my bad. Okay. All right, well, anyway, so Yachty made some comments, right? So specifically talking about Sugar Hill Gang. Hip, hop, hip it to the hip, hip it to the hip. He's saying that's the origin, right? So he's saying that that was weak, right?
So we know that things progress, music changes and all. Hip hop is still a very young art form, a very young culture in the grand scheme of just cultures around the world. Probably the most... but definitely the youngest culture. There might be some cultures that are being birthed now that we don't know about. Ryan, you might know about the cultures being birthed now. I don't know.
You're 22 years old. But the origin, that's the origin of hip hop. Sugar Hill Gang. Hip hop got his name from that song, right? Yeah. So... While what Yachty is saying is, like, when you rhyme like that today, like, if somebody was to rhyme, even though there's niggas that rhyme like that today that y'all swear is dope. Stop. They just do it on Travis Scott beats, so it's different.
They do it on mustard beats. They do it on mustard beats. They do it on, and y'all think it's the greatest shit y'all heard in the 21st century. Boom, bop, boom, bop.
like all of that is a hip hop to the hip to the hip to the hip hop you don't stop a rocker to the bang bang boogie that's all derivative of that that comes from that so that's why to hear Yachty say that now it's like I understand what he's saying right when you just in the air if you was to hear somebody today say that but
You hear people kind of like borrow that style now and rap like that with that cadence and that flow. And people love it. I kind of feel like he's spot on. You feel like he's spot on with that? Yes.
The Sugar Hill Gang was trash. I mean, I never liked that music. When I was little growing up, I ain't like that. That rap, I didn't like it. Okay. I started liking rap when G-Rap and Kane and Kara was one of them, Big Daddy Kane. I didn't like the early rap. I paid that shit no mind. But I used to say the same thing. That it was trash? Yes. Okay.
And then came 87, 88, 89, where you got the real rap dudes coming. Like I just said, Kane, KRS-One, T-Rap. Well, if we're going to do that, Rakim was probably the first one to change the way rap sounded. The flow, the flow. He took it from the Kumo, the uptown, 129th Street, that hard pausing. He stopped that. Now it's a flow. But they strong arm rap from the whack dudes.
From the dudes with the whack, with no balls.
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Chapter 3: How do the hosts respond to Yachty's critique of early rap?
In the mid-late 80s, they strong-armed it for them. And then for 15 years, you had to be nice. You had to be nice, super lyrical. You know what I'm saying? In a party element, kind of like... It was still around the party element because you had big party and I'm saying J was partying. But you just had to be saying something. It didn't matter what kind of song you made.
It had to be some intricate lyrics and that shit.
But see, the only thing with Yachty, and I understand, I respect with Yachty because Yachty, he's a little younger than us. So I can understand. And then you said you didn't even like that as well. Nah. I respect that. When people don't like something, it's like, cool. If that's not your thing, cool. I'm not going to argue that.
Do you think that's his point? Because you can objectively say, I don't listen to rappers. I don't get my car and be like, you know what? I haven't heard in a while. I'm going to throw that out. But that, I don't think... If that's his point, then cool. But I think how I interpreted why people are upset. Let me not say upset.
Why they're critiquing his critique is you cannot say that about the very thing. That's the reason you are here. And of course, it's going to evolve at the beginning of every genre of music. Typically, the beginning sometimes is the worst because they're still trying to figure out what this thing is. Sugarhill Gang was coming from an era where it was all about a party. You had a party.
And then they do the breakbeat. And then the guy that was hosting the fucking party. Just say anything. Sometimes it rhymed and then it developed into what Sugarhill Gang is. So their goal was not to sound like Nas because Nas didn't exist. They were at a party. It was Studio 54 coked up trying to have a good time. They were trying to say hip hop.
And then it just developed when people like KRS heard it and took it a little bit more seriously. So to critique something where the point was just to party and not to be some lyrical miracle shit, like until Flash... There was not even a bit of substance in it.
But see, what he said, he said he was talking 90s and then he went to the 70s. And I'm saying that 20 years means something. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's where he messed up. Like, if I critique the critique at all, I would say, you go, you talking about dudes in the 90s and then went to the 70s. That's a big difference from how they was rapping in the 70s and the 90s.
He said in the 90s it was mad trash. I don't think it was mad trash in the 90s. It was something. They want effects. Sometimes that is not real rap. I mean, like, they rapping. You don't like Doss effects?
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Chapter 4: What are the implications of Jay-Z's influence on younger artists?
I'm just saying. Yo, but I'm saying- If certain people that's going to love that, that would be amazing. And it's going to be a sector that has a lot of control and I guess, you know, fragmented media, right? They're going to have their own streaming platform watching it. Yo, this shit is trash. This shit is trash. So it's like- I don't think Jay's thinking about any of those. Of course he's not.
But who are you talking about?
Chapter 5: How do the hosts view the impact of mixtapes in hip hop?
The young streaming niggas?
I'm talking about the younger, just the younger genre, the younger audience. But niggas is going to be all the way longer than they're going to be younger. So fuck with them young niggas thing.
respectfully that's how you pull the move with the young streamer their whole life is based off negativity jesus christ himself would come back and be like yo why are you wearing sandals like there'd never be you're never gonna you're never gonna impress these guys why jesus didn't have one of some balenci's right yeah you had them regular sandals on put on some balenci's how can i pray to somebody wearing that yeah
I don't know. I think there's something more attached to the reasonable doubt shit. I honestly haven't asked, but I'll hit bigs and ask them though. Like it gotta be, it gotta be something happening.
Jay not just selling t-shirts at jayz30.com.
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of 'So Far Gone' in the context of mixtapes?
Yeah. You're not creating that just for the fuck of it. Cause you would just sell your vinyls and t-shirts on your regular shit. I just don't, I don't know, man.
I don't know if Jay is inspired or motivated right now. But that, you don't, you could be inspired.
You could be inspired by the 30th anniversary of your first album.
Yeah, no, yeah. Performing is bullshit, man. To honor that.
Chapter 7: How do the hosts react to a story about a toxic relationship?
I'm not saying you got to put out Reasonable Doubt 2. Yeah. I'm not saying he's going to do his fall off.
I would like to see him put the album back out and then put like two new tracks on there. I wouldn't be mad at that. Like two new tracks on Reasonable Doubt? Like don't give us a whole new album. Just give us two bonus joints. Yeah.
But that fit with that time.
That sound like that time. On volume three, when you had to skip ahead, the last record was like 20 minutes long. You had to fast forward on your Walkman to get, like you should be, it's only on the vinyl.
And you got to wait 20 minutes to get to it. Hip hop did that because I forgot who did that on the album. And that's where hip hop got that, was inspired to do that at.
There was a single, one of the three records that were at the end of volume three, one of them was like, they put a single at the end of that shit.
Yeah. That was hot doing that. I forgot what album he heard. And he was like, oh shit. Like you let the tape play. Like it's another song. And everybody was like, where? So when he A&R'd Reasonable Doubt, he was inspired to do that. He was like, nah, we got to do that on this album. Yeah.
Cause that, I think it was two or three records on volume three that, that you had to fast forward to, but no, I would love to watch. Yeah. I don't really want new music from Jay Neva though. I do.
I mean, I wouldn't mind it, but I ain't looking for it. Don't get it twisted. If we open our phones right now and Jay's post a link for new says new album Friday. Oh, I'm definitely. Yeah. But I just, and if he never do it, I don't care.
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