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New Rory & MAL

Episode 464 | Kate Winslow

06 Mar 2026

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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?

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This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human.

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Welcome back. Yes, yes. We had to sage this entire office of the impurities that happened yesterday. Oh, man.

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47.567 - 55.063 Rory

Yeah, what the fuck was going on? All I saw was a clip. I left early yesterday. I see one clip and I'm like, these niggas horned out. Nah, well, you know, we had Fredo Bang.

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55.043 - 79.468 Maal

Was here. Yes. Shout out to Fredo. Bring Most Hated 2 available now on your DSPs. Yes, right now. Yeah, our good guy Fredo was here and Major was here yesterday. And he was just explaining to Major some of his utilities and his abilities in the bedroom. That was all. The art of lovemaking. Just the art of lovemaking. That's all he was explaining.

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79.588 - 85.635 Mal

Was the whole interview like that or...? I mean, we talked about a little bit of music.

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Yeah, but anytime we got to music, it somehow got turned into an OnlyFans girl or a porn star.

91.482 - 111.129 Maal

Well, Fredo was letting us know he's a content sore. Yes. He delves deep into the OF genre of entertainment and the porn genre of entertainment. So he was just letting us know like some of his favorite things. creators and innovators in those worlds. That's all.

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Which I think in the content world is a perfect lane for him. He should be the Stephen A of the porn and OnlyFans world. Absolutely. I know they leak a lot of shit on Reddit. He could stop. He could give the creators... you know, more empowerment. And he could do his Skip Stephen A type thing with the OnlyFans world.

131.078 - 136.032 Maal

Absolutely. So we know who to pay for and who not to pay for. Most importantly, Most Hated 2 is available now, baby.

Chapter 2: What insights do they share about Jay-Z's potential new album?

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Pimmy is dropping a project. Oh, man. Don't come home. Yeah, but too...

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2361.198 - 2372.811 Maal

Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm so excited for Midnight. Bro, between Yeba and Pimmy, who has the better interludes on Drake's albums? Pimmy.

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2373.533 - 2384.07 Unknown

You said that too fast. I don't like that. The Pimmy joint wasn't... Well, it was called an interlude. Was it an interlude? It was a full fucking record. Yep. Yeba's Heartbreak is really an interlude. Yeah. That's really an interlude.

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2384.09 - 2385.232 Rory

Pimmy's song, that's a song.

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But you got... And I fuck with... Pimmy's one of the artists that I'm really excited for. Yeba, to me, is like one of the best vocalists. She's incredible. Yeba is Yeba, dog. She's been around like... These are albums. Yes, these are projects. The ones that have been... We're getting a lot of... Now... I am at the edge of my motherfucking seat.

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I almost texted y'all at midnight when I saw that they teased it, but I knew y'all would just clown me. I cannot believe a Gnarls Barkley album is coming out at midnight. Danger Mouse and CeeLo are putting, how long has it been? Over 50, what, maybe 20 years?

2421.509 - 2434.462 Maal

Yeah, I was in summer school when Crazy came out. Fam, me and Biggs went to... That's when they was doing the concerts in Central Park, the free concerts. And Nas Barkley did one. When I tell you we was in Central Park, high out of our minds.

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How would I love to see that?

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Grooving to Nas Barkley in the middle of Central Park. I will never forget that. So to know that we're getting a new Nas Barkley album.

Chapter 3: What are the implications of the Neo-Soul label on artists?

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Cause he's there. Checked every box.

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2866.199 - 2876.897 Maal

I mean, listen, man, y'all know I love 150,000, but he ain't got no solo project. At least he, I got solo albums. Classic one. Yeah. So at least, yeah, he he's, he's right there.

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Yes, absolutely. Um, I saw Raphael Sadiq had posted or somebody, I assume it was him. I don't know if it's someone on his team, but on, uh, his IgE account, Sadiq moves, he had posted, um, Rafael Sadiq, D'Angelo, and Maxwell are not Neo Soul artists. Sorry, but that's the truth. Neo Soul was a term created by one black executive purely as a shorthand.

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It helped labels internally identify which acts would not require crossover marketing budgets. Those funds were reserved for pop boy bands. That word Neo Soul signaled to executives in marketing meetings these black artists might sell 150 to 350K, maybe half a million if they're really good. One million at best. It had nothing to do with the sound of the music. Hip hop was created by the people.

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I use that term often, but I feel him. He's definitely correct.

2927.86 - 2930.966 Maal

I hear him. He's correct.

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Because, I mean, I've been at labels where urban became the big word. I think now it labels traditional R&B. is the new code word for, we can only give, we can only allocate so much budget to this artist because we know they're not gonna sell as much, because traditional R&B is not selling the way it used to sell. So, I feel him. It did, but it did also coin a genre to me.

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I can see from their perspective, but as a fan, that when I was younger did not care about who sold what. I was in this business that I honestly did not give a fuck if D'Angelo sold one record or two million records. It wasn't even in my brain at that time. It did help me discover artists like him and people within that genre. So,

Chapter 4: How do personal experiences shape our views on relationships?

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There's nothing neo, quote unquote, neo soul about D'Angelo's V, pause. Like, that's an R&B greased up... type of video.

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3237.682 - 3243.452 Rory

The video, yeah. The song has a Neo Soul sound. It might have been... Oh, for sure. The song is Neo Soul.

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3243.873 - 3258.377 Unknown

You guys are talking about visuals. Neo Soul is not a sound, though. All right, window seat, boom bap drums, Erykah Badu window seat. She's walking around where JFK was assassinated, butt-ass naked, and then gets assassinated at the end. I guess someone would...

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put the conscious title on Neo Soul there, and it has boom bap drums, to me, that would be considered a stereotypical Neo Soul video, which I mean respectfully, because I'm sure Miss Badu does not consider herself Neo Soul or that Neo Soul. I think that's just her art. But to me, that would be categorized more by a label as Neo Soul than Untitled. That's a sexy ass R&B video. Yeah.

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3282.526 - 3293.765 Rory

Yeah. But I don't know. I'm a lot younger. So whenever I would hear D'Angelo growing up, I would automatically contribute it to Neil. So like incense should be burning when I'm playing it.

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50 cents. Shout out to D'Angelo. He determined not to fail. He went butt ass for his album to sell. There you go. Oh, I miss the early 2000s. Good times. Great times. But I feel Raphael Sadiq in that way.

3311.236 - 3328.307 Rory

And I also think when Neo Soul was even being talked about, I think it was such a huge difference from the R&B that was currently popular. Because the R&B at the time in the early 2000s that was currently popular was not regular soul R&B. It was very much attached to hip hop. It was...

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It was attached to Boom Bap because, of course, I wasn't in the labels in the early 2000s. But when things were starting to shift and it went less of what Boom Bap was and more to what, say, Rough Riders, Rockefeller, Murder, Inc. was doing, R&B was also shifting. But you still had the Boom Bap rappers that they were like, well, we can't.

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If Blackstar wants to do a major deal, we're only going to give them this amount because we think they're going to sell this based off that sound. And that was those R&B artists too. But meanwhile, Maxwell and D'Angelo sold crazy. Yeah. Shit. Erykah Badu did as well. Oh, for sure. Like they sold more than half a million on that time. So, but I think that's what they do with traditional R&B now.

Chapter 5: What are the consequences of toxic relationships?

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Yeah. I think traditional, when Coco Jones walks in, knowing she makes real traditional R&B music, I don't think she views the marketing team going, well, you're traditional R&B in a positive way.

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Shit, we watched Ari Lennox, rightfully so, go on Twitter with the Soul Train Awards and like, okay, you guys put me under Soul, but then don't even properly pitch me to the Soul Train Awards? Yeah. Stop putting me in these fucking categories that you know are designed for me to fail. Right. So... I can't put us in a box. I get it.

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But I mean, even D'Angelo, someone I've retweeted an old interview with D'Angelo saying like he didn't particularly like the term. He is. I make soul music. I don't make neo soul music. What is neo soul? It's a matrix thing. Exactly. It's the soundtrack to the Matrix. But I don't know. Do we nerd out too much, Peej? Ryan was...

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3460.267 - 3463.893 Rory

Well, we're a music podcast. I like when we talk about music and not, you know.

3463.934 - 3467.941 Maal

So now you're boxing us in. That's how they do it. We're not a music podcast.

3468.001 - 3470.625 Rory

We're an entertainment podcast is what I always schedule us under.

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Netflix put us under comedy.

3472.829 - 3474.252 Rory

You niggas is some joke.

Chapter 6: How do we define the difference between being alone and being lonely?

3509.472 - 3515.498 Rory

Oh, he's still on the crack. Crack is not as bad as heroin, though. Heroin will kill you. I ain't never seen a crackhead die.

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3516.098 - 3531.772 Maal

Nah, crackheads don't die. You ain't never been to a crackhead funeral. You ain't never been to a funeral. Yo, what happened to some of your old crack? Never. It's never happened. I've been to funerals where I know people smoke crack, but they didn't die because of crack. They didn't die because of crack. Niggas die from old age. Yeah. Niggas die from a cigarette before they die from crack.

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3532.093 - 3533.294 Mal

Of course. That ass.

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3533.314 - 3536.697 Maal

What happened? He was smoking what? Crack? No, cigarettes. Oh, okay.

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Yeah, I guess, of course, you could probably overdose from crack. We know that. But I feel like when you smoke crack, you want to go on an adventure right away until the high. Like, you don't have time to OD because it's adventure time. Yeah, crack is only what? Like, we're out until it wears off.

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Maybe five minutes, something like that. Which is crazy. Yeah, it's a quick high. It's just a quick, quick jolt. You know what I mean? It's like drinking a Red Bull.

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Okay. I've drank Red Bulls. I just don't think it's like smoking crack.

3562.483 - 3565.475 Rory

Maybe C4. C4 makes your skin crawl. And doesn't crack do that?

3565.896 - 3570.092 Mal

Oh, no, that's heroin. Yeah, no. Don't put that on crack. Pete, what were you huffing in London?

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