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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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All right, Rory, we are back with another episode of the new Rory and Maul podcast. Of course, I am Maul. I'm Rory. And today, Rory, we are joined by somebody, I think it's Perfect Tomlin. Yeah. That we had just gotten, but this is somebody that we supported for a while. We've been talking about having on for a while, so he's finally here today.
Shaking the internet up over the last couple of days with some things he's been talking about. And my soundtrack to Philly and Back over the weekend. Eight shots available now. If you haven't gotten that, today we are joined by Rochester's very own 38 Special. It's in the building. Trust. Trust. What's going on, fam? Hey, man. I'm chilling, man. How you feeling? I'm feeling great, man.
Good to have you here, man. We've been talking about having you on for a minute, so, you know, timing is everything. Yeah, man. I appreciate you having me. You want to know what's crazy about me dropping eight shots right now is that You was one, I remember when I dropped Five Shots, you was one of the first ones you actually, you know, talked about it. Yeah. Covered it. Yeah.
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Chapter 2: Who is 38 Spesh and what is his significance in upstate rap?
We always talk about obviously flex freestyles, clue mixing. The Green Lantern freestyle shit was a, that was an era. Like that broke a lot of that mid 2000s artists. Like you went to green. That needs to be on YouTube or they need to find a way to put all those freestyles out in the forefront now. I'm glad you mentioned that because that explains a lot why I rap the way I rap.
I came up in that era watching that. You understand? On the cyphers, you got to go loud, you know, all of that. Like I was watching that and I was, you know, that was the shit. So, you know, those are the environments I thrive in, you know, more of a cypher based environment where it's a bunch of rappers and we all get our shit off. That song shit is some shit I grew to. Yeah.
You got to become an artist. Yeah. But the raw talent is my best environment is those on the side for Greenlander freestyle environments. You know what I'm saying? Even with your relationship with Green, did you still feel like there was a disconnect because you were upstate versus, because at that time the city was pretty prominent.
Not like it isn't anymore, but New York City was it at that point. So, you know, definitely it was a disconnect with getting the recognition from New York City, you know, coming from all the way up there. You know, Green is from up there. We both from the same place. Yeah. You know, and...
So that always gave me some type of hope to know, like, all right, if you're talented enough, motherfuckers from outside of where you're from, you know. They'll find you. They'll find you. Yeah. You got to just perfect your craft. And, you know, and Green was a perfect example of that.
But, you know, it definitely was a disconnect to get support from the city seeing you from a place they never heard before. Mm-hmm. You know, and that took a while. But just like anything, I had to show and prove.
Yeah.
You know, and I respect that because, you know, just like anything that's brought to us brand new, it's like, it's hard to say. You got to show, when you talk about this rap shit, you know, this is something that you got to show and prove. Yeah. You know what I mean? It don't, you know, and it took some time because due to the lack of recognition. But, you know, I put the work in. Right.
When did you feel that shift? Because I... As a New Yorker, I can always be objective. Upstate is dominating us and it's not even remotely close. When did you feel that shift happening where Upstate started to kind of be the identity of New York Sound over New York City? Like, I seen it start getting heavy around, like, 2019, 2020. Yeah.
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Chapter 3: What stories does 38 Spesh share about his best verses?
you know, around 2019, 2020, it's like, all right, they see it's talent up here. You know what I'm saying? And starting to respect it, you know, it's one thing. It's like, oh, now y'all got to watch out for them upstate boys. You know what I mean? Like... You know, so, yeah, about 2019, 2020, where it was always all the way like, oh, OK, now they're here. Yeah. You know what I mean?
And it's like an unspoken thing. Like, you know, when you from New York City to five boroughs, of course, we know Rochester, Syracuse. We know all of that up there. We know Buffalo. But people outside of New York City don't.
understand like that part of new york they just think five boroughs when they when they think in new york right and i'll be trying to tell people like you know it's like some real wild that goes on outside of the five boroughs of new york the state of new york probably wilder insane it's insane you gotta realize man due to lack of opportunity it's gonna be a lot more attention yeah
Chapter 4: What does 38 Spesh think about the influence of Griselda on hip-hop?
You know, a lot more poverty, which means a lot more chaos. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, man, you know, a lot of people unfamiliar with it until they either go to college or prison. Right. That's when we all brought together. And you realize, hold on, there's other energies in this state. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? That's actually a very fair point.
Because for me, it was college. I went up to Binghamton, and I was like, oh, this is a whole world up here. Yeah. Binghamton was like my first. Then I went up to Cuse, went up to Rochester, Buffalo. Like, we would do the whole circuit up there. Right. And just parties and shit. And yeah, it's a whole different world. Whole different energy. Yeah. Right.
Right.
Facts. But definitely much more chaotic. And I'll say I felt always fucking way more unsafe up there. It's a lot more unsafe. I would have to agree. You know what I'm saying? We drove through Niagara once. I was like, yo, get me the fuck back to New York City. Niagara Falls, man. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right next to Canada. Yeah.
The New York side. It's scary.
Yo, listen, but that's that's that's that's to me. I think that's what kind of. In a wild way because, you know, guys from Rochester, Syracuse, Buffalo, those parts of New York, Binghamton, they always spent years trying to be heard and be accepted in music, right?
But to me, that kind of helped because now when the flood happened, just like people want like, oh shit, they got stories up there too. They got something to say too. They got a whole different energy. Like you said, it's a whole lot of things going on.
So I think in a way, it kind of helped not being heard so soon with the rest of New York City, the five boroughs, and then people finding upstate rappers And hearing those stories like, oh, shit, this is a whole untapped part of New York that we don't know about. Right. Different perspective. Different perspective and slang. Right. The way they say things. You know what I'm saying?
It's just a whole different, but it's still New York, though. Definitely. You know what I mean? So I think it was a gift and a curse that it kind of happened when it did. And I mean, I'm saying the unsafe thing, but the positive side of it, I always felt like upstate when I got to know a lot of upstate guys, like a lot of Griselda's cousins are Kappas that went to Buff State and shit.
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Chapter 5: Which rappers surprised everyone with their guest verses?
Like, if you look at all the kids of G-Rap... Thank you. So when we look at, that's what I mean by Son of G rap. Yeah. Right. And I'm pretty sure a lot of people would agree. You'll see in a documentary, you'll see AZ was like, yo, I thought I was the Son of G rap. Mm-hmm. Because. Nah, I just said the same thing. So, you know, Hov's hearing me rhyme is like hearing G rap in his prime.
Yeah.
Right. Exactly. Mm-hmm. You understand? Yeah. The rappers know. So the rappers know. Mm-hmm. So like, you know, that's, shout out to G. You know what I mean? G don't get enough credit. Yeah. He don't. You heard me? Yeah, he don't. He don't. Like, you know, I'm a son of G-Rap. Yeah. So that's why I'm nice. Yeah.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. No, I get it. No, I get it. You studied that.
The same niggas that all our favorite rappers. Yeah. You gotta realize, like, I studied the same ones that all the greats studied.
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Chapter 6: What insights does 38 Spesh provide about his new album '8 Shots'?
Right. Yeah. Right. I went to the root. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? The originator. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, absolutely. And so you got to realize, like, my respect for legends is up here. I came in this shit with the Sonny G rap. Right. So you got to realize I came in this shit with a high expectation of rapping with the best and doing my best. That's what I do.
You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, lists are lists. Like, they don't really validate anything, but... Cool G Rap at number 30 on the Complex Top 50 shit was a little, like, that was one of the more offensive things I felt like. Yeah. I completely agree. That's why I don't pay attention to those hits at all because of things like that.
It's fun to argue about, but, I mean, it doesn't really mean anything. But that's kind of crazy.
Yeah. Like, G Rap?
Yeah, there's not 29 rappers from New York City better than G Rap. No. That's insane, bro. It's just not. But we know why they do these lists. It gets people talking, the engagement, you know. And so we understand they have to make it controversial. But like, you know, guys that really know rap, listen to rap, they look at that and laugh. Like, come on, cut it out.
It's not 29 guys from New York that rap better than G-Rap. That's just probably a lack of information of the people that put it together. Like, they have Pop Smoke at 27. I'm not here to shit on Pop Smoke whatsoever because I think he was going to be the next...
generation and sound for new york but that's why he deserves to be on this list because there is influence there but having cool g rap two slots behind him when you had 20 years of his influence yes is it's crazy yeah like it's just it's just out of order because if we're going off influence and what they did for the city as far as sound no cool g rap should not be a fucking 30 no reasonable doubt doesn't sound the way it does without cool g rap
There's so many rappers we don't get without cool G-Rap. Thank you. You know what I mean? So that alone, you have to have a certain order. It's a pecking order that we have to always maintain. But again, we get why they do these things. Raekwon, Ghost, they've all said Cuban links, that mafioso shit. They got it from G-Rap. All of that is G-Rap, bro.
So I can understand that people that put this list together may not be aware of that, so they put them there. But it's just like, this is why lists can't really validate shit at all. Who inspired, outside of G-Rap, who inspired you to your rap, your rhymes, and who inspired you on the production side? Yo, believe it or not, man, I pulled from different rappers for certain things and shit.
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Chapter 7: How does Complex's Top 50 New York Rappers list impact upstate artists?
I was nine when Illmatic came out. Let's put that in its proper perspective. Some people are going to say Illmatic, but a nine-year-old when Illmatic came out. It don't attach. It ain't attaching the way, you know. So a couple years later, I got more of an understanding. You get it now. I kind of get it now. So that's why when it come to Mobb Deep, my favorite album is Murder Music. Okay.
Because I was a certain age when murder music hit. You feel what I'm saying? Even though, you know, The other albums was my older brother's shit. Yeah, that's they shit. That's they shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That was that time. But the murder music. So the mob period. We tried G-Rap too on murder music. That's what. You want to know something? Around that time was my introduction.
See, I didn't grow up listening to G-Rap. Yeah. Let's get this understood. Oh, I probably. The realness was probably my first.
Yes. At my age.
When I heard him. Introduction to G-Rap. I was in a trap with the older homies. And I'm like, yo, who was that? And they said, that's cool G-Rap. I'm like, who?
Mm-hmm.
I'm like rapping like that? They was like, you don't know? Then I went back and did my research and was like, oh, this guy's crazy. And that was around the time, 1998, I say when Roots of Evil came out. That was like, okay. I'm like, dang, this guy is like amazing. And then I started doing my research and seeing like, oh, okay. Like, dang, he rap like that or he rap like this. Okay.
Like, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, that's how that shit was. Yeah. I could definitely hear Havoc though, like in a lot of like special production and shit like that. Definitely. More, I was trying to explain to everyone at Roots Picnic that you do not have to overpay for great wireless. I had service the whole time. You was telling everybody in the car.
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