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Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
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It's acting like we're in the lounge, man. We got our guys here, man. It's fucking Daniel, man, and fucking this silent assassin. I really want to talk to you. You two, this quiet shit, we're going to cut this shit out today, man. I know how to quiet ones. I was once quiet, too. Until they showed me a contract with all this money to talk, and I started being louder. Is that the intro? Yeah.
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Chapter 2: How did DVSN come to be known in the music industry?
And he was the one that kind of just said, listen, those records that we were working on, let's put them out. And I was like, Whatever. You know, and he's like, yo, I'm telling you, this is something like, bro, you're uploading this shit to SoundCloud. Like, go ahead. You know, what do you really think is going to happen?
Talk about that moment when you felt like, and seeing your peers and friends and everybody's career kind of elevating and moving, you know, upwards. And you kind of being, I guess, stagnant and no motion, no movement. Like, what were some of the things besides 85 saying, nah, listen, And putting these records out that we did.
Like, what were some things that you pulled from to say, you know what, I got to keep going? I'm not going to lie. Like, it wasn't that I really pulled at anything. It was him saying, we're dropping this and prepare for your life to change. And I just said, okay, cool. I mean, put it on SoundCloud. Like, you know, I was... I was living a completely different life at that time.
You know, like, I was... I was definitely mentally in a space where I, because, and this is, mind you, this is the first big surge of Toronto music, right? So people that I knew, whether that's Boy Wonder, T-Minus, 85 now who was right next to me, other artists, it was just like shit was happening. And it's crazy because in the city, they knew me already. I was already on Toronto radio.
I was like a guy at that time. And I kind of stopped just going by Daniel Daly, but my beats were done by 1985. So we just never called it or anything. Um, so we already had this kind of reputation in the city. Like, nah, like that's, he's one of them ones and just stuff just wasn't happening. Okay. And so I stepped back. I started trying to write records.
We were trying to write records and I was trying to get them placed. And,
you know i didn't even that the you know a few things worked but not a lot of it worked and really that kind of played on my psyche because i was like maybe i'm not that good well the toronto sound was very monotone at that time and i don't mean that a bad way it's it's changed music for the better i feel like but singing singing wasn't really a thing in that sound did you try to
Maybe bring it down a bit? No. To be honest, at that time, because I was writing records for people, I was trying to do what I thought they were doing. Yeah. So I was making records that I'm like, oh, Usher's going to kill this. Oh, Trey Songz. Oh, he gone. You know what I mean? That's where I was. And then, you know, it just hit a place where
I guess it just took longer than I thought, but you know, everything in God's timing. And he kind of was the push to be like, look, we're going to put this out. shit's going to change. And after it did, it was, yeah. So it's interesting now. So now that I know that story, I understand like 85's energy. Like your role in this is you don't seem like you get rattled. You don't seem like you worry.
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Chapter 3: What challenges did DVSN face before their breakthrough?
Oh, okay. This is before... any division thought. Okay. So when we did kind of go to him, we were like, yo, this is what we're thinking of putting together as an album. What do you suggest? And he goes, yo, I'm gonna be real with you. I think you guys should do whatever you feel is necessary to do and talk to all the labels, all the execs, do whatever. But,
If you want to do this at home, he's like, the door is open. You can have that conversation too. But I'm not going to tell you that's what you should do. Okay. And that. Yeah, it was very, it was very open. At that time, because of, you know, him uploading the stuff to SoundCloud and being like, whatever, let's let, let's go. What happened on the internet with us was.
was crazy, especially about them trying to figure out who Division was, what does it look like? Is it him? Does he sing now? All that stuff like that. I came up with that. So that turned into literally every single label in the game in our emails. So we didn't even open them. We just literally left it there and we're like, okay, cool. We know who's in there. 40, what should we do?
And 40's like, look, I'll ride with you and we can go to whatever label you want to go to. Or if you want to stay here and rock with the home team, You can stay here. And being as he was the only guy that we knew in the business that we trusted already because we knew him from before, we're like, well, we're going to fuck with the nigga that we know. You know what I mean?
So that's how we ended up there. It wasn't a pitch. It wasn't anything. The only thing that he came really told us was, yo, when Drake started coming to me and saying his girls are asking him about division and stuff like that, little things like that. Yeah, Drake didn't even know. Drake didn't know who we were. Drake was like, yo. Going to 40, who are these division guys?
That's why women are the best A&Rs. That's usually how men find out about them. I've had three girls tell me about this group. That's how I found out about Gunna. It was definitely like a girl being like, yo, there's this rapper and
telling you he's the next wave all right cool you know probably you hating that's because we'll just take what women tell us and just like all right like we'll try it you know what i mean like okay what's so trash is it's the complete opposite with podcasts yeah Only your mans put you onto a podcast. Absolutely. No girl is like, have you heard this pod? Yeah.
Women put you on a podcast when they're trying to like change the person you're trying to heal you.
Yeah. Maybe you should listen to this. This is a great like financial podcast.
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Chapter 4: What are the emotional impacts of infidelity in relationships?
They're just not telling you. So now you're getting the girls. But it hurts more when you find out, like, if you feel like you're dating somebody and you don't know that she's dating other guys, if you find out that shit does, like, affect you. It affects the relationship. Yeah.
Y'all don't have to be serious. You can pretend like it don't.
Because I'll be honest, if I'm with a girl and I'm already thinking... Do you want to know that she has other things going on? I want to know everything, yes. I do. Oh, so you don't enjoy sleep? No, I want to know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No wonder he was the only one sleeping on a mattress at the O'Neal sweatshop.
Chapter 5: How do partners navigate the complexities of dating multiple people?
He was wide awake thinking about what Shorty was doing. 85 got great sleep. He woke up, new lyrics came to him. He was like, it's too deep, it's too deep. He was resting, do-rag-o'd in the mirror like, yo, look at this. Like, I wonder what she's doing right now.
If I'm going to promote somebody to that spot and I'm already seeing other people, I'm still kind of seeing other random little things here and there. Yeah. I'm probably having the debate with my conscience already. When does it get to a point where you do what you want to do because you want to do it and not because of what she's doing? Why do you have to give the woman the option?
If you don't like the women's general answer of like whatever you want to do, instead of giving them the option, just be straightforward and say, hey, I'm ready to be with you. What do you want to do? Okay. Versus saying like, well, whatever you want to do, I want to do. So you don't know how the male ego works. Yeah. Because God forbid I say, yo, I want to do this. And she goes, ha.
No, no, to be honest, to be honest, to be honest, I could do that. I could do that. And that's kind of what I was talking about when I'm saying, what are we? I mean like, yo, listen, I see you like this. This is kind of where I'm trying to go, but it kind of seems like you might still have this and this and this going on.
Where are you trying to go?
Why don't you just come out and say, like, yo, it's us right now? No, because that's different. Why is that different? I'm not going to come out and be like, yo, it's us. She's going to be like, no, nigga, it's not. No, it's not. Actually, it's him. That's my point. Because women are also the master manipulators. They'll say, like, oh, he's suffocating me. Yeah, no.
I would never come at a girl like that. Not yet. I wouldn't do that. I would come at her and say, look, this is what I want to do.
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Chapter 6: What role does ego play in relationship dynamics?
This is what I want to do. Obviously, if you're coming at a girl like that, it's because you already know. I'm not going to say, hey, yo, it's you and me now. She'd be like, okay, okay. Cut the mother dude. Nah, but you can say, listen. Look, I want to do this.
I'm feeling you. I see you like this.
I want to be you and me. Where are you trying to go with this? Yeah, that's the conversation that I would have. On the other side of that, has a woman ever came to y'all and said, we can no longer do this because I'm taking it serious with another guy? No. I've heard that before. Wait, what?
Because we saying all this and like, oh, I'm going to tell this girl, yo, I want it just for you and I'll cut them off. I'm not right now. Okay, all right, that's different. Like, if you give it to her already, like, yo, listen, I'm not... I'm on some other shit right now. We could just have fun, date, you know what I'm saying, see each other from time to time.
Then if she's like, yo, listen, there's somebody else I've been seeing, like...
you know things are getting kind of serious that's why I think women are holier than thou cause there's been plenty of times that I've gotten ghosted after a chick that I was just fucking like she doesn't answer my 2am text anymore and I'm like oh yeah alright she probably just found the guy that she actually likes but a woman has never maturely sat me down and like hey we can no longer do this cause oh no it's not the sit down I had a situation where women just want all this direct shit and never do it themselves were you guys direct before that?
Sure.
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Chapter 7: How has the perception of women in Toronto changed with the rise of DVSN?
Come through. Yo, come through is sick. Yo, what you doing tonight? All right. Hit me when you done. Mad direct. I'm not direct.
We are directly going to have sex soon. Yeah. Yeah.
Direct as far as we know what time it is. We text each other on Saturdays and yo, where you at? All right. If you're not doing nothing, come through. I mean, direct as in she would be like, yo, how many other girls you got? You're like, I have time to this girl. Like that type of direct. Sure. And they'll be comfortable to do it back. Yeah, no, I've had that conversation before.
Like, hey, fucking with someone else. I had a situation where I was with a girl. When you're having raw sex with someone, you need to have those conversations. No, for sure. I'm dead ass. I'm not even trying to be responsible. I'm not having a bunch of raw sex. I had a situation with a girl. I'm not having sex with anyone. I had a situation with a girl that was one of my old things.
And we linked back up. And we... I don't know why I was in a hotel because I was definitely in Toronto. But we went to a hotel.
One of the most staycations.
I don't know why I was in a hotel. I'm trying to think why. But anyways, we went to a hotel. And, you know, she was kind of like, I have a man. And she's like, I guess I'm about to go cheat on my man. She literally said this out loud. It's happened to me too. Right? And we, you know, we did whatever. And the next morning, she just kind of was like, look. So, what are we going to do?
Because this nigga is ready to straight up marry me. Like, he's ready to propose. So, either you step up or I'm going to just... But see, that... See, 85, I'm going to get you when I say this. So, that for me is hurtful because it's like, she's basically saying like, he's ready to propose. I don't really want to be with him. That's hurtful to him. That's how I interpreted that shit.
That's hurtful to him, not to... Yeah, not to him. But it's like the other guy. It's like, I don't ever want to be the other guy that she's talking about. At some point in life, I feel like a lot of women choose the stability. Of course. And the thing that makes more sense. And I was not stable at that time at all.
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