David Lammy Tells JD Vance He's Wrong Over Immigration Comments
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What did David Lammy say to JD Vance regarding immigration comments?
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Joseph and Henry.
Hi, Laura.
Hello. How are you both?
Very good. And I'm absolutely intrigued by the relationship between J.D. Vance and David Lammy. It's so unlikely, and yet that phone call last night suggests it is real and they are close.
Yes, they're not just fishing buddies. David Lammy told us this morning that after J.D. Vance piled into the very important and very sensitive debate about the horrendous killing of Henry Novak, David Lamé told us this morning on the TV that he had phoned up J.D. Vance and told him that he was wrong. Henry's killer was born in this country. Have you spoken to your friend J.D. Vance about this?
I have spoken to J.D. Vance. I spoke to him yesterday and I told him he was wrong. This has got nothing to do with mass migration.
I guess if you're David Lammy, that is a sign of the dividend of the relationship that he tried to forge with J.D. Vance first when he was foreign secretary and now kind of as his counterpart as deputy prime minister. And I think that's one of the interesting questions is whether... from spending so much time trying to get close, succeeding perhaps in getting close to J.D. Vance, the proof in the pudding is David Lammy being able to call him up and tell him off yesterday, or whether actually what he ought to have been able to get from that relationship is to stop him posting what he posted on X in the first place. And I think that's kind of where the debate is. But no question, it is notable that David Lammy is able to get him on the phone as quickly as he was.
And political friendships can be, you know, very, very unexpected. So, you know, in this case, they are politically completely at the opposite ends of the spectrum. But they both had time in America. David Lamy spent some time at Harvard. Vance was at Yale. And we know they both like fishing.
And also they both had quite a tough upbringing, an upbringing that David Lammy has talked about as being dysfunctional. They both had absent fathers. J.D. Vance wrote this book, Kill Billy Elegy, about his childhood, in particular his mum's drug addiction. And they are both Christians. They've both seemingly bonded over that and their faith, having working class backgrounds and yet becoming prominent, powerful politicians.
Well, there's lots to talk about in that relationship and what they said to one another on the phone yesterday, but so much still swirling around a very tricky and important conversation that's been raging in Westminster this week about that mixture of politics, the police and race. And we'll get into that on Sunday's Newscast.
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How do David Lammy and JD Vance's backgrounds influence their perspectives?
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Hello, it's Laura in the studio.
It's Joe Pike in the studio. And it's Henry at home.
So David Lammy was on the TV this morning in the context of all the things that have happened this week and his job was... It was a really interesting person to hear from at this moment. And it was intriguing to me that the government actually decided that he was the person to come out and speak this weekend. And newscasters might like to know, you know, sometimes the government is very clear about its grid and they're going to put this person forward on Sunday because they're going to make an announcement next week on this time. It was confirmed quite late in the day this weekend, which I just thought that's interesting. It suggested that, well, either they're having trouble getting anyone to come out and defend the government or they wanted to have a very careful think about who would be the right person to come out and have a conversation about these difficult issues.
And David Lammy is not just interesting personally. Because he's powerful.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What did David Lammy say to JD Vance regarding immigration comments?
0:00–3:12
2
How do David Lammy and JD Vance's backgrounds influence their perspectives?
3:12–7:23
3
What are the implications of David Lammy's phone call with JD Vance?
7:23–11:03
4
How does the murder of Henry Novak relate to the immigration debate?
11:03–15:56
5
What criticisms did David Lammy make about mass migration claims?
15:56–21:12
6
How has the UK government's response to JD Vance evolved?
21:12–26:07
7
What are the concerns regarding the Defence Investment Plan?
26:07–30:48
8
How does political friendship impact public discourse on immigration?
30:48–32:02