As a row over regional coronavirus restrictions gets heated in England, is it time for a national ‘circuitbreaker’ lockdown? Professor Sir Jeremy Farrar thinks so - he sits on SAGE and directs the Wellcome Trust, and tells Adam and Fergus that without a three week national lockdown, winter could be a bumpy ride. Chris and Laura are back, too, to discuss the fallout in Westminster from these regional rows - and to explain what to make of Dame Louise Casey’s warning about large scale post-pandemic destitution. Katya reunites the Brexitcast crew with the latest on EU trade talks. And Chris Mason’s outro hangs in the balance - as we finally decide whether to ooze it or lose it.Studio Director: Andy Mills Producers: Sej Asar, Frankie Tobi, Ben Weisz, Alix Pickles Editor: Dino Sofos

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