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The Morgan McSweeney Evidence

28 Apr 2026

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Chapter 1: What was the outcome of the MPs' vote regarding Keir Starmer?

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Chapter 2: What were the allegations made against Keir Starmer during the debate?

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Chapter 3: How did Morgan McSweeney describe his role in the Mandelson appointment?

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48.456 - 48.837 Joe Pike

Saletisti onnistuu!

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53.204 - 61.853 Adam Fleming

Hello, lots of different strands of the Peter Mandelson vetting story converged in Westminster today. Can a strand converge? Well, I guess they can now.

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62.494 - 84.136 Adam Fleming

At the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, chaired by Dame Emily Thornberry, we had Philip Barton, who was the predecessor to Sir Ollie Robbins as the chief civil servant in the Foreign Office giving evidence, and then box office this Morgan McSweeney, the Prime Minister's former chief of staff and somebody who's issued the spotlight, was very much in the spotlight for about two hours.

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Then we had this vote on whether Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister, should be referred to the Privileges Committee, which had been triggered by the opposition parties.

Chapter 4: What were the key points raised during the Foreign Affairs Select Committee hearing?

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And then we got an update on what is happening with all those documents about Peter Mandelson's appointment that are being released as part of the so-called Humble Address, that parliamentary manoeuvre triggered by the Conservatives a few months ago. So there were lots of things to talk about and it was a very, very interesting day.

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that involved watching hours and hours and hours of what was going on in Parliament. But luckily, we had a top team of people doing that for you on this episode of Newscast. Newscast.

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Newscast from the BBC.

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Humanity's next great voyage begins. We are in the midst of a rupture.

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Nostalgia will not bring back the old order. Six seven.

Chapter 5: What insights did Morgan McSweeney provide about the vetting process?

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Six seven. Yeah. It's supposed to be me as a doctor. Daddy has also a special connotation. Ooh la la.

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Thinking about it like a panto helped.

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Do we play music now or what do we do?

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139.646 - 141.289 Adam Fleming

Hello, it's Adam in the Newscast studio.

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And it's Alex in the Westminster studio. And it's Joe Pike in a different studio in Westminster.

Chapter 6: How did the Labour MPs respond to the vote and what does it signify?

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but in the same building on the same floor. This is true. Just adds confusion to a very confusing day. So we're recording this episode of Newscast on Tuesday evening at five to seven. And as all aficionados of the House of Commons will know, this is prime voting time on a midweek day in the House of Commons.

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So Joe, we just had this vote on the Tory motion to refer Keir Starmer to the Privileges Committee so they could investigate him for the misled parliament about his statements about the whole Mandelson affair. And the result was... The ayes to the right, 223. The noes to the left, 335. So Labour, the government, have comfortably won that vote.

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Chapter 7: What were the implications of the vote for Keir Starmer's leadership?

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It looks like there are 15 Labour rebels. The size of the Labour rebellion is probably perhaps more interesting than the fact that Keir Starmer and his team have successfully blocked a privileges vote, privileges investigation, sorry. That always seemed likely. And I'm told... There is real relief in Downing Street today.

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They started the day, I think, really nervous because a lot of this was out of their hands, both those committee appearances from Morgan McSweeney and Philip Button, but also what could have happened in the Commons Chamber.

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They pulled out all the stops yesterday and this morning, and it seems to have worked, even though, as we discussed yesterday, Adam, some think this makes the PM look a little bit weak and nervous. And Alex, just in terms of crunching the numbers, I think we're saying there were 14 kind of official Labour rebels.

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Yeah, it looks like it because it looks like, so basically when a vote like this happens, Parliament number crunches do some crunching of numbers and then it all pops up on a website and you can look at the way each MP voted.

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And on the face of it, as Joe said, initially it looked like 15 Labour MPs had voted against the government, but it now appears one of those Labour MPs voted both ways, which cancels them out.

Chapter 8: What are the future considerations for the Labour Party moving forward?

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So it's 14 proper rebels from as far as we can tell. And most of those are people who have been critical of the government in the past. But obviously, you shouldn't ignore the fact that you have got 14 Labour MPs openly and publicly disagreeing with the government about this issue, which is significant.

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And what were some of the arguments that they used for why they were going to vote with the opposition?

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Yeah, so I mean, it's worth just remembering what the opposition were trying to do, which was get the Prime Minister referred to the Privileges Committee, which is a committee of seven MPs to look into whether he was totally upfront and honest in everything he said to Parliament about Peter Mandelson's appointment.

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And when you listen to the debate, there were some interventions from some of those who did end up voting against the government, who were basically saying things like, you know, well, if there's nothing to hide, why don't you refer yourself to this committee?

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One of the MPs expressed a bit of anger about the way that Downing Street had managed this vote because Downing Street whipped Labour MPs, which basically means it told them they had to back the government on this. And I think that caused a bit of anger among some Labour MPs who felt that perhaps this should have been one of those votes where they got to choose the way that they voted.

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So there was that expression coming out. But ultimately, that big operation that Joe described where Downing Street was chucking everything at trying to get the Labour MPs to back it, rolling out the big dogs and phoning around the cabinet and calling people back from Scotland campaigning to get them on the Labour benches to take part in this vote. Ultimately, that has paid off.

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And I think part of that might be the fact that this was obviously a motion that was put forward by the Conservatives, but also backed by other opposition parties. So the SNP, the DUP, the Liberal Democrats. And I think that naturally, MPs don't love voting for something that's been put forward by the opposition. So it sort of gave them something to coalesce around.

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Having said all of that, that doesn't mean that there's still not an awful lot of disquiet, anger and frustration on the Labour benches about where they find themselves right now.

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To be discussed. And also, Joe, it's worth just pondering the counterfactual here, isn't it, of what would have happened if this vote had gone the other way and Starmer had been referred to the Privileges Committee, because we've got recent history of an example of that, and it's Boris Johnson and Partygate.

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