Scrolling with Hayley
White House Etiquette for Everyday Life - Scrolling w/ Hayley (Ep. 260)
20 Mar 2026
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Chapter 1: What is the main topic of White House etiquette for everyday life?
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Chapter 2: How did Alison Cheperdak transition from TV news anchor to etiquette expert?
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Her journey has taken her to the White House during Trump's first term. Now she's back teaching White House interns everything they need to know to keep up in the world of politics and look polished while they're at it. And you don't have to be a White House intern to have Allison's wisdom imparted onto you. She has a brand new book out right now called Was It Something I Said?
Everyday Etiquette to Avoid Awkward Moments in Relationships, Work, and Life. And Allison Shepardak joins me on this episode of Scrolling with Haley.
Scrolling with Haley
Thank you so much for having me.
Thank you so much. You have a fascinating, fascinating backstory. So I want to get into this because I read you wrote an article for the conservator. So I read that and I've been following you for so long, but I had no idea that you started as a TV anchor. When did when and where did you do that?
So I studied journalism and political science in college. I went to Villanova University. And at the time, I was interning basically anywhere that would take me. So I interned at the ABC Hearst flagship in Boston, and then in Fox in Philadelphia, and NBC in Philadelphia, and then also for a public access station where I was a multimedia journalist. And then I graduated from college.
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Chapter 3: What lessons did Alison learn while working in the Trump White House?
I worked first as a one-man fan reporter in upstate New York for the Plattsburgh, Vermont market, if you're familiar, if anyone here is in media too. Yeah. and then was able to get more experience on the anchor desk as I was there a little bit longer. And at the time, I was covering general assignment news, so really wanted to cover legal stories and political stories.
And so that's what inspired me to go to law school. And I moved to Washington where I got into the George Washington University Law School and then ended up working in government and practicing law and eventually got into all of this etiquette.
Wow. Yeah, it is so fascinating. And it's kind of one of these stories where you think everything happens for a reason. That's definitely how I feel about my career and my life and how it's taken me. I mean, I've met the right people at the right time and everything has sort of made sense. But yeah, there is a lot of overlap between politics and etiquette and news.
And there is a whole overlap there in that culture. So how did you get involved in the first Trump White House? How did you get involved in that?
So I was in law school during the first election cycle and really wanted to work in the White House or wanted to work in the administration more generally. And despite all of my efforts, I did not land a position on day one of the first term. And so I worked in a large corporate law firm. So I started my career in big law after I graduated. And then I was at a Christmas party for a
a conservative group that I was a part of, really involved in, in law school at the Dolly Madison House over by the White House. And I saw an old boss from the Hill, and they were looking for someone to start yesterday. And it was at the US Treasury. And at first, I thought, I don't like taxes. I don't know what I'm going to do over there. And so I thought, I don't like taxes.
I don't know if this is going to be a good fit for me. And then I thought about it a little more. And a mentor of mine who had actually worked in the Reagan administration said I'd be crazy not to take it. And so my first job in the Trump administration was at the US Treasury as the attorney advisor to the general counsel.
And I worked on a lot of congressional investigations and sensitive Freedom of Information Act work there. And then I still wanted to be at the White House. And I made that known to some friends that worked there. And eventually I had an opportunity to work in the staff secretary's office. So I was an assistant staff secretary in the West Wing during the first term.
That's the office that manages all the president's documents. So it's like everything from his briefing materials to his pocket card that has like everybody's names in the meetings that he's going to and how to pronounce them, executive orders, legislation, his schedule, like his line by line schedule of the day and his like, you know, more broad, look at a schedule for the months to come.
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Chapter 4: How can we navigate awkward encounters with confidence?
You know, like I was going to ask you about that. So first, I ask anyone that has worked with or around President Trump this same question, because I feel like everyone has a story. Do you have any funny stories about him? Because I feel like that's usually people say that he's so funny. He's so gregarious. He has this big personality.
Did you ever have a moment with President Trump that's memorable?
Yes. And I won't disclose everything here, but so a part of our office, we managed all the president's documents. So that included speeches. And no person anywhere knows how to pronounce anything. I definitely learned that as I was recording my audio book. There are so many words that I wrote that I wasn't sure how to pronounce, whether it's names, places, things, all these things.
And so if you're on remarks, it's your job to make sure that there's a phonetic for any word that the president may not know. And there was a word in one of the speeches that I was responsible for that I did not put a phonetic in. And it was something that I just – it was an oversight on my part. And the president pronounced it incorrectly, and it became this whole story.
And then the next time I was on remarks a few days later – because we would rotate. It wasn't like every single day you were on every single speech. And a few days later – Also, it was my fault in that I didn't get him the document early enough. Like if I had brought it to the residence the night before, he would have been able to look at it.
And I think I handed it to him like the morning of. And so that was a mistake on my part too.
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Chapter 5: What simple tips can improve everyday interactions?
And a few days later, we're at the Red Cross and he says plasma instead of plasma. And I was like ready to pack up all my things. And like, you know, I just thought my days were done there. And then nobody cared. It was like, he's just like a New Yorker. There was no story about it. And it was just like, that's the way that he pronounces blood plasma. But he, I had a phenomenal experience.
I found him to be indefatigable. No one works harder than him. And I was speaking with someone earlier about this, like, love or hate his policies. he speaks the truth. Like what you see is what you get. And I think there's a lot to respect about that. Yeah.
Yeah. People love that about him. So what would you say his manners are like? Do you think that the president is well-mannered? People say all the time that he's not presidential, you know, people who don't like the president, they'll come out and say that, but what were your, what was your experience with him?
So my experience with him is that he's a good listener. And is he someone that's studying protocol? Maybe not. But he has military aides. He has a phenomenal advisor in the chief of protocol, Ambassador Monica Crowley. And he really respects her. I love her.
Yeah.
She's amazing. He really, really respects her and he listens to his advisors. And so, and I would say with etiquette and I talk about this, whether we're talking about the president of the United States or we're talking about an intern or anybody, it's not about memorizing rules for the sake of rules.
It's about showing kindness and respect and the way that we do things, whether it's like how you do a medal of honor ceremony or something like that. That's how we show our kindness and our respect. And I will say to a person, anyone who has been with the president and has spoken with him, he's very disarming and he's very charming. And that's more important. It's the way you make people feel.
It's not how you impress people with all of the manners that you know.
Absolutely. So you started getting these books, you were planning your wedding, you thought, okay, I need to brush up my etiquette skills myself. And then how did this become more of a career for you? Do you become certified? How does that work?
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