No Jumper
Pacman Jones on if the Streets Are Dead, Crazy Weed Stories, Gucci Mane & More
26 Jan 2026
Chapter 1: Who is Pac-Man Jones and what is his background?
No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world, and I'm in here today with the legend himself, Pac-Man Jones. How you feeling?
What's up, man? How you doing, bro?
I'm doing good, yeah. We've been Instagram friends for a little while. We finally locked us in.
Yes, sir. Adam, well, I guess you'll be Adam 1 on your show.
Adam on Adam Violence.
Adam 2, you know. Yes, sir.
How do you like being an Adam? Has it served you well throughout your life?
Yeah, I've never been called it that many times because my mama called me Pac-Man my whole life. Really? Okay. It's always good to be the first child, though.
You never had an Eve?
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Chapter 2: What challenges did Pac-Man Jones face growing up?
Yeah. NIL did.
Wait, you got so many things right there I want to dig into. So the Burt Kreisner movie, like, is this your first time acting or you done it a few times?
I done did it a couple times, but this is my first movie, like, main character. Okay. It's about Burt whole life, though. Actually, we went to the premiere and watched it. the first two episodes.
So Free Bird, like he's locked up in the movie?
Nah, Free Bird, it's basically about him, his wife and kids, and him being like a crazy dad, shall I say. And his two daughters go to a private school And he just basically the outcast, I would say, of the private school.
Your kids go to private school?
Nah, I don't do private school.
Oh, shit. Because I've been doing the private school tours and everything. And for sure, outcast is a good way to label it.
Yeah. But my kids do go to a very nice school, I shall say. Okay. And one of the best schools in Ohio. Yeah.
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Chapter 3: How did Pac-Man Jones transition from football to other ventures?
Saini, which is the oldest daughter, she's at Ohio State. Bubba's in Arizona at a prep school.
How big was that decision to take in his kids?
It wasn't that really big of a decision because as a friend, I think, I kind of olded the kids that, because they wasn't where they was at when I got them. Nobody was talking about these kids and shit. Man, 6'6", running 4'3", Bubba like 6'9". And Sainty is a big body too, but they wasn't getting the recognition in sports when they was in North Carolina. And I seen some that nobody else seen.
And I think the work ethic that I put into them was not what, he was doing, not saying that something wrong. She just didn't have the time or knew how to put in the work to make him successful.
And I mean, you're close as possible to what it takes to be a serious athlete.
No, I am what it takes to be a serious athlete. Yeah, right. You know that shit so intimately.
I was the first defense to play a pick, Adam.
First defense to play a pick. I ran 4-2-5. I was McDonald's All-American basketball. Yeah. Yeah. Number one in football. Right.
Like, I know... Like, if I adopted the kids, for sure, I'm not going to be, like, fast-tracking them into professional sports. I just don't know that world well enough. But for you, that's naturally, like, what you're going to kind of gravitate towards, right?
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Chapter 4: What are some of Pac-Man Jones's experiences with acting?
won two national championships in high school. So I've had the chance to see what it take and how to get there. And I got suspended my sophomore year, so I understood the work ethic part that it takes to get to be at the top of the level when it comes to sports.
For sure. I mean, I'm going to be real with you. I fuck with you so hard, like just as a person, like watching your interviews, everything. I just think you're like one of the sickest dudes. Sick is like a thing that white people say. It doesn't actually mean sick. It just means like extreme, gnarly, you know, something like that.
But I am like so retarded when it comes to football and sports in general that it's like – A lot of that shit is like, it's just hard for me to even understand how big of a deal that is. But that's pretty crazy. Would you say you were kind of fast-tracked into this way of life from a young age because people just saw how much potential you had in terms of athletics?
No, I ain't going to say fast-track. I grew up in Bankhead, Boat Rock, which is the inner city of Atlanta. Yeah.
tip from like we uh that was the savior of my life near the hip-hop or what's it called the trap museum yeah well yeah well trap museum is on down like it well like by blue flame it was the schlum of the schlums like but um my grandma made me play every sports to keep me out of it and like after after my i would say my sixth grade year like And my family is big in Atlanta.
They wouldn't let me do all the dumb shit that other kids got to get away with. It's like, no, Peck, you're going to be the one who make it up out here. You ain't doing that shit. You know what I mean? Besides gambling, I wasn't allowed up there on the corner. I've never smoked weed until I got my paper. I ain't going to say until I got my paper, 12.
Got on my own, which was, I would say, senior or freshman year in college.
But your parents worked hard. Because it's got to take a lot of work to keep your kid away from that shit when there's so many people doing it.
I grew up with my grandma. Like, my dad got killed right in front of me. Right. I went through a lot of shit. Like, I would fight every day. Now, like, I wasn't no Huxtable. Like, I was not the best kid. I was very respectful because my grandma didn't play that shit. But I would fight, like. on the drop of a dime. But I would say my grandma, she was the bootlegger in the project.
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Chapter 5: How does Pac-Man Jones view the current state of hip-hop culture?
So do you think that like instilled like a hustler mentality into you just seeing the way that they were like making it work selling candy semi illegally out the neighborhood?
I've always had that hustle mentality. We was in the project, but we wasn't living like we was in the project. I had dirt bikes, go-cars, every pair of Jordans, but we was in the projects. I've always been pretty good at observing. people and watching everything. And that was like, that was probably my niche of getting to be at least successful as I am.
Watching like, my granddad in our backyard, he made our backyard look like the hotel. And like, it was all trees. Like our whole, they used to call it green forest behind the project because it was just all trees. I mean like, I seen this man make stairs, run an extension cord out, put a TV up, hoe f***ing. Like couch, it was crazy. I wish I had pictures of that.
That's something I gotta ask my mom. Do she still got pictures of the backyard that we had in Boat Rock? But everybody else's backyard was, Trees, I mean, pretty much.
For sure. Wait, so what was the music that kind of defined your high school era or being in your teenage years?
I grew up on that Wayne. Wayne was big. Trap music was big at that time.
That's what I was thinking. It's got to be that era of T.I., Jeezy, Gucci, et cetera, right?
T.I., Jeezy. We really didn't fuck with Gucci because we was on the west side. Gucci on the east side. yeah this uh well-documented uh little rivalry that you guys got yeah i don't got no problem with gucci but when i so when i first made it to the league and everybody like man why you be saying gucci and if you're on the west side, you always saying the east side. That's first and foremost.
Sports, not sports, hanging out, we don't with the east side in Atlanta. That's just how it was when we grew up.
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Chapter 6: What are Pac-Man Jones's thoughts on the impact of social media?
I was 27, 24.
And it wasn't specifically like a drug thing or anything. It was just, you were just kind of going through it mentally.
Yeah. Um, I had a lot on my plate. Um, just dealing with a lot of shit and really didn't have no out because everybody was coming to me. You know what I mean? Changed my life though. Because I was one of the guys that wasn't willing to talk to my strength that I talked to. Didn't have a person like my wife that can sit down and really explain what I'm going through. I kind of kept a lot of
emotions and anger built up inside of me until it got to a point like you know what man i'm gonna go and see if i can get me some help yeah so now the therapy is like a consistent part of your life consistent part of my life big in mental health um i got a couple of family members that's bipolar they go through a lot of stuff and um even with my kids you know i make sure that
the line of communication is always open because I didn't have that. And when you don't have somebody that you can express something that you're going through, It can build up. And when it build up and it build up too much, that's when shit start going different ways and haywire.
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Chapter 7: How did Pac-Man Jones handle the pressures of fame?
For sure. And I mean, you combine that with the fame and everyone treating you differently, like good f***ing luck keeping your head screwed on straight for that. Yeah.
Um, but so did you, do you feel like you kind of just got wrapped up in your own, uh, self-belief at a certain point or did it like, how did you learn to manage all that pressure that you were under and the fact that you could, you get to the point where you can kind of do everything and that pressure of just knowing that you could hop on a jet tomorrow and be in Europe, or you could, you know, get a hundred prostitutes tomorrow and have a great time.
I mean, that's just gotta be like a lot to deal with.
But she get old, though. She get old quick. Of course, I'll tell the story. When I first got my money, I made sure I bought everything I wanted. I woke up one day, I had $13 million in my account. And two weeks after, I got drafted. So I went and splurged. Bought my mom a house, bought me four or five cars. But then you get to a point like, I can't even drive all this shit first and foremost.
Second of all, I don't want to die on the plane, so I'm scared to fly on a private plane. The turbulence done went out one time. And then you realize like, shit, what are we doing this for? And I'm here, like my sense is, the reason why I'm doing it for is for my kids. Like I done had everything. Anything you can name that I've wanted or wanted, Wanted to buy whatever party.
I've done pretty much everything I wanted to do. Right. And then at a certain time, it's like, this shit getting old. Yeah. It's not pleasing you.
but then also while you're dealing with the pressure of having this money and this fame, you're also dealing with the fact that you're competing in something that's unbelievably difficult and dangerous physically and in which you're constantly having to prove your own worth and there's new talent coming up the ranks, et cetera.
Were you somebody who was fanatically devoted to the training and the actual being in shape part? Did that kind of get lost in all the success?
I've never... had a problem with being in shape or being the first one at the stadium, should I leave Magic City, get in the limo, go straight to Tennessee, park at the stadium, have the car running, and be the first person in the stadium? That was the reason why I was the first defensive player picked. That was the reason why I played 14 years.
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Chapter 8: What advice does Pac-Man Jones give about parenting and self-confidence?
I put up like five and a half million where I couldn't touch it until I was a certain age.
Oh, wow. That's smart.
Because I didn't want to blow it off. Yeah. But I was still getting paid a lot of money during that time, too. But, yeah, I bought a Lambo, Bentley, two Cadillac trucks. My mama, that's when Chrysler 300 had just came out. Bought my mama a Chrysler 300. 60 acres for myself and a house. And then I bought my mama a house.
And you still had money left over. Yeah. That's so crazy. Cause it's like, I'm used to seeing dudes make it as rappers. And it's like, even the rappers who are like on top of their shit, the first couple of years or whatever, it's like, they ain't really making that much. It's not like somebody just dropping off 10 million in their bank account. You know, they're hustling shows.
I'm like, my first deal was, uh, four years. What? $41 million.
Yeah. Wow. That's serious.
Yeah. First defensive player pick bro. Six,
I mean, honestly, though, that is so unbelievably impressive to me that that didn't just make you lose your fucking mind and just say, fuck the sport. I'm just partying.
That was a lot more money. I didn't have millions at that time, but... I had money, it wasn't like, in college, I've always had $100,000. And that's a lot of money.
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