Chapter 1: What is TC's Dream 18 and its unique criteria?
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up Podcast. Sully here got a treat for you today. We'll explain it all when we get there. TC's Dream 18. We put some constraints on him. The guy went nuts, as you might imagine. And I think there's going to be a lot of offshoots from this podcast episode alone. But I cannot wait for you to hear it. And I cannot wait to get into one myself.
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Chapter 2: How does TC select his favorite golf holes?
Take us there before we get into the list. Yeah.
Well, you guys didn't really put any constraints on me. I had to put constraints on myself, which was maybe a brilliant... Well, you don't stick with them, so there's no point in doing this anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was maybe a brilliant strategy by you guys forcing me to commit to my own constraints because I think I needed constraints.
Otherwise, this thing was going to spiral off into a million different directions. My constraints were only courses that I've played before. So no like Augusta 13 or 15 or whatever. I've never played Augusta, so no Augusta on there for me.
otherwise it's got to be the corresponding number like a whole number so the third hole at royal adelaide can't be my first hole on my course like the the whole number has to correspond i think like there's not like and i that's a really challenging thing because there's a ton of great 14th holes there's a ton of great third holes so there's there's not a lot of great first holes and 18th holes so i think that's that's part of the challenge here uh i also threw in
uh it but no like no rules as far as like you could pick 18 part threes if you want 18 part fives if you want i didn't know what to do with like the a-hole at oh hoopy you know that sort of thing i didn't know what to do with like the dj kilmore nine at corn like because is that its own nine does that that's interesting does that come in on the wild atlantic dunes routing that they have or we just played it as its own thing tgl holes those are always changing yeah you know you never know what number those are going to be
exactly uh i did do a halfway house uh i did i did do a bench as well we can do clubhouse and driving range and that sort of thing as well if you like but um but really overall i think i'll take you guys through my selections and then i'll take you through some of the the nominees for each hole as well because i think that's that's a that's a good exercise and
we know there's going to be a second dream 18. like we we know that's coming when you build the rest right i mean trying to get the money together trying to find the right partners to to make it might be like pinehurst like we might be looking at course number 11. uh and did you say this i forget only each course can only be represented one time is that correct correct yes i did not say that but that's that that that is one of the constraints yes
can i ask tc a philosophical question are you uh how did you think about i know you're a big routing guy you're a big golf is a hike guy you're a big uh walking through nature ebbs and flows kind of guy did you build in like uh this is a natural lull did you build in this is how this thing is gonna ramp this is gonna build to a crescendo is it like or is it truly just
all you know pine valley it's just banger after banger after banger highest possible form on every hole i definitely thought about i thought about setting and some of these holes aren't necessarily the best tools they're like i mean they're all they're they're like my favorite holes so it may not be like the best hole but it's just
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Chapter 3: What challenges did TC face while creating his Dream 18?
It was very frustrating.
uh TC last thing I'll say uh also just because you mentioned the transitions if you take the first hole at Sandhills that means you get the whole cart ride out there through all the wild flowers up through the dunes past Ben's porch down the hill I mean it's a it's a 15 minute drive of just solitude and anticipation to get to that first tee at TC's dream 18. so I I don't know if that factored in but
that just makes me even more excited that's one of the coolest coolest parts about playing there yeah and you know like i i know we're giving up maybe a tea box that's on the putting green because that's always a thrill uh you know like the plantation course at seaside or at uh sea island or i know they've got that at yeah moraine golf club
the golf club uh you know places like that but but i think i like i'm willing to overlook that based on that that drive is is just spectacular and then you can see coach and all that stuff so all right number two i'm i'm fascinated any guesses here
I haven't put nearly. It'd be irresponsible for me to venture a guess. I know you're not the biggest Cabot Cliffs fan ever, but the second hole of Cabot Cliffs is very cool.
That's on my nominees list.
That's a very good one. No, what do you got?
I've got Royal Melbourne East.
Sure.
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Chapter 4: What insights does TC share about wedge play?
Fourth Valley Bunion along the coast there. Pacific Dunes. People love it. It's not my favorite hole, but...
Gosh, I mean, I love it. Like we may have to stop by this, this fourth hole at Irvine at some point, just so you guys can see it. And it's the same train line that, that, you know, runs next to, to true and runs next to, you know, all these other courses on that, on that coastline. And, uh, here I'll, I'll, I'll send you guys the, um, it's called the more the name of the hole.
And here I'll send you the link real quick in the chat.
We
There's a great bridge right behind the hole, like one of those kind of old school, you know, 1800s style.
Oh, yeah. Looks like an aqueduct of us. Yeah.
I mean, Solly, it's truly like a, it's a continuation of the simple, not easy theme of these two holes in a row. You know, three at Royal Adelaide and then four.
I love that you have one that kind of goes a little left, one that goes a little right, too. Or kind of one where you're playing left to right, one where you're playing right to left. It's kind of a fun little back-to-back.
I can't look at that footage right now. It just makes me want to get off way too much. I can't do that right now.
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Chapter 5: How do the hosts react to TC's selections?
It looks like somebody wearing a tuxedo backwards. It almost makes such little sense that it makes sense.
Yeah, that's a perfect, perfect one.
There's certain like, I felt like Shinnecock and national and Chicago golf club to an extent. Um, like there's so many holes that could be nominated, but there's just so many like eats.
You know what I mean? That's kind of what I meant earlier. Just like some of these, you know, there's a lot of really good solid floors, but not a lot, not a lot of stuff that melts your brain. Like the fourth at Irvine that you can't stop thinking about, you know?
Yeah, I'm looking for, like, wildly distinctive stuff that's just either completely best in class or something that you're never going to see anywhere else, you know?
Yeah. I forget if it was on your short list, but you kind of mentioned it already. LaHinch would be the other. That'd be the other one I would throw out.
All right, guys. Like, another reason why, you know, we couldn't go with LACC there was because we're going, we've got another short four, number seven. So, you know what this one is. Terry D. Yes. Yeah. Correct.
I mean, it's just, that's like, if that's, that's in the top three of like, if you gave me one hole to play for the rest of my life, it's, it's that one just, you know, like, I don't know. The wind can change. You come back to the clubhouse. The clubhouse is on this little shelf right above the hole. There's this massive tree left of the green.
You've got, you know, Neil blew it up onto the clubhouse deck. Like two days in a row there. And he has to hit this massive, like 60 yard flop shot. He had to walk all the way around to get up there. It took him five minutes. It's a great, it's a great shootout hole. Tiny green. I love tiny greens. Like I like stuff that really puts the fear of God in you.
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Chapter 6: How does TC's Dream 18 reflect his personal golf philosophy?
We are drawn to the drivable fours, I know, but... Yeah, and that would be, you know... It's too many.
Four drivable holes and six holes.
tc i know i'm being a simp here but the eighth hole pebble beach is pretty cool man yeah i don't know it's it's pretty cool i would put nine ahead of eight personally at pebble beach but eight's pretty cool it's cool it's pretty cool it's pretty cool uh i'll just i'll throw that so we don't get sued you know we gotta we gotta for compliance i just feel like we maybe have to mention that one in the eighth hole
yeah okay that's fair that's fair um and the other reason why we couldn't go with a with a short four uh because you got number eight is because i've got one at number nine that's that's ely oh ely over the uh uh you know over the hill there you like you crest the hill and then you know tc tc oh is that 10 oh no oh no Oh, God. All right. Well, then we're going to put Cypress in.
Does that change anything downstream?
No.
There was not a Cypress hole on here.
Oh, my God. That just puts so much pressure on Ted.
But there's no Ely now.
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Chapter 7: What are the nominees for each hole in TC's Dream 18?
All right. Well, let's go through. I nominated Kingston Heath.
Everybody stay calm.
Hold on. par three at par three pinehurst uh st george's hill it's a great ninth hole there up back to that clubhouse royal rhythm uh terry edie pinnacock myopia fisher's island um we're gonna we're gonna go with we're gonna go with cyprus
i think cyprus cyprus wins the day it's bryson's i think it's his favorite hole in the world one of my favorite holes in the world and now now it is part of the part of the dream 18. one of his favorite holes in the world but not part of his dream 18 originally god now now we're in a real pickle here on 10.
What was 10 and does it change to Ely 10?
It was positive tempo 10, because I feel like when you play, when you step onto that, it's a big walk up to the 10th hole. Like it's big walk up the ninth hole, long par four. And then you know, you walk up this big hill and right.
Nines at Pasa. Nines at five at Pasa.
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Chapter 8: What philosophical questions arise about golf course design?
Yeah. Okay. Big up the hill. You're right. Yeah.
Yeah. I think they play it as a four in the... In the collegiate. But, you know, you walk up that big hill and then you get to the back nine. You cross the street. You get to the back nine. And it's like entering a different portal. Like, I feel like I'm just going into a different place and time. And I think the energy back there is just...
one of one and there's this little house on the left on the on the left side of the hole there right on the dog leg big tree there like that's I think that's like my spiritual resting place that that thing it's a big brawny par four which we need a little bit of crazy that I've only played this golf course one time and I know exactly the house you're talking about I could I could still picture it
Great green. You know, but guys, they've redone the place. They've restored it. Jim Urbina. And I haven't been there since they redid it. So I can't say for certain.
Plus, I feel like we need another drivable four.
so we're going to ely yeah i think it's a no-brainer yeah yeah the second the second james braid nomination here i looked also at sunningdale old the jockey club that boomerang like elevated boomerang green there splash world kingston heath a little par three there rural melbourne east the park solid i thought i think that like up and over
love that hole um but but ely man like on a clear day when you crest that hill and you can either bang one you know bang driver and just figure out all right like it could go long of the green it could you know you may not find it you you could make a hole in one
um but it's just it's a thrilling reveal i've sat at the top of that that hill many like probably three different times and just hit putts from the top and tried to make them from a hundred yards out uh it's i don't know i i love ely and i wanted i wanted ely to have a place on this list i love the place
This is a great selection, TC, even with the rejiggering that had to go on to do it. Will you make people wear tall socks when they play this hole? I know Ely, the club, has kind of gone away from this rule, but I just didn't know if you, as a history respecter, I don't know if you would allow shorts, if you'd allow low socks, what your philosophy is there.
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