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Chapter 1: What is the purpose of the US Opens draft?
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Expect anything different? Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the No Laying Up Podcast. Solly here, third iteration. All we do is drafts these days. We are going to be drafting the best U.S. Opens of all time. We are going to go clockwise around here. New background, new house. Hello, pie man. How are you?
hello guys yeah you know what i won the pga draft and i just instantly moved into a new house uh newfound celebrity just a new lifestyle man and it's it's great to be called into the press center now that this next major's come around unlikely victory but uh you know i'm enjoying my new life big radius here hello big hi guys excited to be back i missed the pga draft you know that was killing me so i'm i'm back and i'm looking to take this one what would you have taken with the number one pick do you know
I wasn't prepared to answer that question. I kind of like them all, Deej. Not on the agenda. I celebrate their entire collection, their entire catalog. Neil Schuster is here. Hello, Neil. Hola, Toros. Good to be back in the saddle. These mock drafts. I'm going to be Todd McShay here pretty soon, or Mel Kiper. Todd, Todd, Todd, Todd. Great agility. Ready to go today. These aren't mocks, Neil.
I know. It's a lot of reps, though. You know, a lot of good reps. This is good.
glad to be here fresh off all my momentum in the PGA draft and uh did you win honestly no I know I didn't win but I didn't finish last okay yeah yeah uh yeah wiki yellow and uh indeed you know congrats on the new place hopefully you can you can earn an EJ Marshall platter for your backyard oh it's on its way man we got some work to do but uh yeah I think we got big pigs ahead
A lot to discuss here. A lot goes into a U.S. Open. We know you got to drive it. You got to drive it long. You got to drive it straight. As of today, as of today of the publish of this episode, Titleist's new tour-proven GTS drivers are officially in golf shops worldwide. Guys, I am putting...
all the stuff any equity i have remaining uh to pump you know to to celebrate golf equipment is going into the gts driver is the greatest driver ever hit uh i think you guys might be able to attest to some of this at torresauce i don't know have you guys ever seen me drive it it's unfortunate i hated it the guy was swinging so free it's not good people
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Chapter 2: What factors are considered when picking the best US Opens?
You did five with the Masters. I got other shit to do today, TCF. We did five. We do need to agree on this before we duck race it. Do we do four or five? I think five rounds for the U.S. Open. Four was hard to get to with the PGA, but I think we could get there with the U.S. Open. All right, fine. Five rounds. You guys got the votes. That's fine. You just got steamrolled, Deej.
They don't have the votes. Randy, you're the decider. Yeah, hey, listen. I think four is, you got to state your case. Four of them. All right, four. All right, four it is. Four it is. We are off with the duck race. Neal out in front early. There's one thing we've learned with the duck race is you do not want to be out front early. I am coming in in fifth right now, which is a great thing.
There are some where you don't want the first pick. I think this, I don't know how, I feel like this open is a deep field. You might not need it. Here comes Solly. Ten seconds to go. Here I come right up the middle. Solly's stacked the duck. Oh, no, no, but here comes Neal at the top. Oh, damn it. Oh, Neal is going to be the number one overall pick. Oh, I love that.
second Solly third Randy fourth TC fifth that is officially Solly's in prime simping territory I mean the number one take is all the pressure it's the only one people remember it really is does he like us right there does he like history does he want to like loud trades yeah Marcus Russell Yeah. He can throw the ball 70 yards. Michael Turner. That guy ran a 4-1-8. Darius Hayward Bay. Yeah.
All right. So we're just going to get right to it, huh? Let's get right to it. Get right to it. God, I am stuck between two. I mean, it's back-to-back years.
am i gonna simp or not is the question 99 in 2000. that's exactly right tc i'm gonna go with 99 though yeah yeah you know when they put freaking statues up of you guys of a guy like that's that's it man and just everything with payne stewart at pinehurst number two i think pinehurst one of my favorite open uh us open venue is probably my favorite it's that between that and shinnecock
The putt, the pose. You're going to be a freaking father, Randy, okay? You know, just lineage stuff. And then obviously tragedy afterwards. Months later, dies in a plane crash. I mean, talk about going out on top. The whole look, the knickers, the hat that he could pull off, but Bryson couldn't. Like, I'm just all about... The cut-off rain jacket? Yeah, cut-off rain jacket.
Like, Payne Stewart... But what's funny is, slightly, like, I remember watching this, but I was very young, right? And so the next year, Tiger had more of an impact on me. Dominant performance at Pebble Beach. But I think I'm going to go with Payne Stewart because over the years, that has become more impactful for me. They played on the TVs at...
Pinehurst, when you check in, they've kind of got the rolling loop of like the history of Pinehurst and they have highlights from this tournament and just the shots he hit into like 16 and 17. Some of the like just balled out down the stretch and then sunk the putt on 18.
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Chapter 3: How do guest judges influence the US Opens draft?
I know. I'm trying to think of the record equivalent. It would be like if the producer wasn't going to make it there, if they're using some guitar that only had three strings on it or something. Yeah, the guy almost ran out of golf balls. It's crazy. God, I hope the judges don't factor any almost ran out of golf balls into the judging here. They won't be listening, Randy. It'll just be the list.
Yeah. Randy's just honking him on message boards where he's sitting with his weird-ass collection. Why don't you run through your master's picks again? Dark, twisted fantasy. So good. I regrettably am going to have to simp here as well. It wasn't even on my board. Oh, gross. Unbelievable. U.S. Open. The last 18 hole U.S. Open playoff that we'll ever see.
i literally had tori 2008 for the simps crossed off on my list thank you i'm glad you left it for me as a title winner of one of these things and uh you shockingly shockingly finishing last uh and one i will take it uh it was one of the great us opens iconic us open the putt on 18 the putt on 18 on saturday
is the loudest i've ever heard a golf course ever that's not even including like the prior hole where he chips in on 17 and sends everybody into complete mayhem the eagle putt on saturday uh into the into finishing it off on sunday and and then the monday playoff with rocco media which went an extra hole as well as 91 hole tournament for it looked like it was going to be the last us open he ever won oh yeah it was on a broken leg
that overshadows the tory pines aspect of this tournament which which was a factor in in in you know this it followed i think this is the only reason it fell to number three was because it's tory pines but iconic iconic for a lot of different reasons major number 14 for the cat i can keep going if you want me to but you can't yeah keep going please Lee Westwood right there as well.
DJ Trahan, I don't have to tell you about him. Robert Carlson. Just a murderer's row that you had to put down this year. But just the working man aspect of Rocco. He spoke up, was riding his horse pretty hard. Rocco shows up in a red shirt on Monday to go up against the cat. I knew he'd make it.
i knew he'd make it unbelievable i knew he'd make it i knew he'd make it it's just an incredible incredible us open i'm proud to uh proud to simp into this into this i mean tiger getting his best carry shrug impression on every time he's a bad one he's not hurting god you guys are such sick
i can't believe your face i can't believe you wasted so much on that on that redesign with reese jones the taxpayers sitting here have to justify the greatest player of all time winning on one leg at 91 holes is i don't know it's a little too much carry yeah i don't know it's a reason his leg was is it a fracture in his leg
he needed surgery was he injured he was done for the year after that and you're gonna doubt the seriousness of the injury you know what always blows my mind do you remember the commercial that he did uh when he walked out on water the ea sports commercial they walked out of the water and then like put the golf club in the water and then hits the shot the leg was broken there too
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Chapter 4: What memorable moments are associated with the US Open?
spawned an entire generation of U.S. Opens like the I don't think Chambers happens without the the crazy that happened in 2004 and Goosen the entire time is just Mr cool Mr calm Mr collected he's just like hitting his iron stiff he's making putts uh with that 24 putts on Sunday TC
yeah it was it was unbelievable it was all dusty and burned out neil you know i mentioned it a lot my friend brett was first alternate so he's just sitting on the range the whole week like waiting to get in doesn't get in but i'm getting all these updates from him my senior year of high school i i think i just graduated from high school like the week prior um it kind of just introduced like i think the pavin year was probably that was that 90
five 96. Yeah. Like that was maybe a little too early for me from a appreciating what the U S open is all about perspective. And, um, yeah, there was, oh, there was like the course set up. You had butch versus tiger. There was a little spat post breakup there. Uh, you had some studs in contention. It was probably Mickelson's closest, like real closest shot other than maybe wing foot. Yeah.
I'd say wing foot would go at the top of that list. Yeah. Gosh, what else? I mean, you had Fred Ridley and Prince Andrew as the honorary observers for the final group. Can I read you the amateurs that made the cut in that one? Spencer Levine, yeah. Low amateurs, Spencer Levine, Casey Wittenberg, Bill Haas, and Chez Reavy are your amateurs that made the cut that year.
I mean, it was an unbelievable... year it was just up there mike weir your boy fred fun tiger shot 76 on sunday mager was involved randy there were only two players under par her teeth was minus four phil was minus two next closest was jeff mager a true villain at plus one uh with fred funk robert allenby steve flesh i know i know you're a big steve flesh guy son
The final round scoring average was 78.7. But they crowned the last five groups by watering those greens. They were syringing. Yeah. I believe the scoring average amongst the final five groups was like three shots lower in no small part because of the green watering. That's truly like the proper test index. Average score, post-cut, 79. Yeah, that's a fucking great tournament. That's the PTI.
That's the PTI Randy's looking for. Guys were losing their mind. I mean, that's as good as it gets, guys. So... Bones told the story once that they played, I don't know if it was on Sunday, on 7, they played to the bunker, like short, I assume short left, to chip up the hill on the par 3 7th because there was no holding the green and you didn't want to be long.
You needed to play from the bunker to hit up the hill and you did par the 7th hole. That's what I'm talking about. Three putted from five. I actually like, I know they lost the course and it was like the, the, the, you know, prototype for being unfair. They lost the course, but they found themselves. They found something much better.
But I do love the idea of, like, yeah, it's a part three, but you got to play it, like, you can't go right at the hole, man. You got to, like, play it strategically to try to make a three. This is a two-shot. Yes. Two-shot part three. Figure it out, man. Like, figure it out. You got to get it in the hole.
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Chapter 5: How do the hosts rank their picks for the best US Opens?
He would go on to win four. Just an iconic, iconic shot.
commemorated with a marker in the fairway and you know one of the celebrated titans of the game it's a safe play randy it's still safe i mean it's it's pretty great most famous photo in golf history certainly certainly on my list what photo in golf history is more famous than that one uh i think it's got to be that one high peskin your photographer yeah
It's got to be Tiger at the Ryder Cup with the guy with the cigar in the background. That one probably reached more eyeballs. Epic. God, that picture's epic. Brandon, it's a great pick. I don't know how it fell to you. A lot of different ways I could go here. It's always reeling. Not all the Tiger Woods are gone. No, not all the Tiger Woods are gone. Oh, no, that's true. You got one more.
That would be debasing if you took that. I know. You guys are talking. I should take it, but you can't take it. That means in the next two rounds at least. Neil's a simp, though. Neil would do it. I am gonna go to Oakmont, and I'm going to 1962. Wow. This was high on my board, Solly. Jack, Nicholas, and Arnold Palmer in a playoff. Does that sound like something you might be interested in?
Absolutely dueling, they were tied through the entire back nine when Palmer bogeyed the 13th hole. They each parred each of the remaining five holes at Oakmont. They finished at minus one ahead of Bobby Nichols and Phil Rogers. 10,000 people showed up for the playoff. The playoff was actually on Sunday.
The final round was... They were still playing 36 holes a day in 1962, so the playoff was on Sunday. Decidedly pro Palmer crowd. Nicholas got out to an early lead. He was four up through just six holes. Palmer did birdie nine, 11, and 12 to get within one, but bogeyed 13. Ended up doubling the 18th hole. Nicholas won the playoff by three, but...
This was one that, I mean, Nick was obviously on the map, but those two, that would be, I believe, the only time they would ever face off in a playoff in a major championship. I could have that wrong, but it is, again, something we're never going to see again, 18 holes, two players, two defining players of a generation in a playoff.
That's a one-of-a-kind collectible, and I'm absolutely thrilled to add it to my collection. I'm a big fan of 18-hole playoffs so far and what I've got. What about 36-hole playoffs, Sully? What year was they doing that? 1925. Is that where you're taking? No, you're not. No, I'm up, right? You are. God, I can't believe this one fell to me either. But, Sully, I will also go to Oakmont.
And I will take it. It was between these two. 1973. John Miller, 63, guys.
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of Payne Stewart's 1999 win?
TC and Solly. Yeah, you guys were flying the banner for that. That's your shit. The wind didn't blow. I don't know what you want me to say. It's a good golf course. We can only do so much. Yeah. Randy, going back to yours real quick, I just want to shout out one more thing about Hogan. I had this in my notes just as I was doing research.
The first round lead that week was minus six, and he won it plus seven. That is epic. I think the super got the message after round one. He already wasn't going to get the EJ Marshall platter. We're not doing this shit, man. Randy, I would like to know, as we shout these guys out, who is deserving of the Mr. title among these winners? Because I would put Johnny up there with Mr. Hogan.
I think Johnny should be Mr. Miller. I think that's a good one. He doesn't seem like he gets that respect. You hear a lot of Mr. Palmer. You never hear Mr. Miller. And it should be Mr. Miller. I would hit him with a Mr. Miller. He's a mister to me. All the media's buddies with him, though, because he became one of them. So it was like, oh, that's Johnny.
It was much more of a collegial atmosphere with Johnny Miller in the media, I think. All right. God, I got to snake back. I was prepared for one pick. Actually, I'm not prepared for anything. But this is a reach here, but I want it. For my curation, I want this one. I want 2006 at Wingfoot. Plus five hard picks. And just the Mickelson meltdown, gentlemen. Needs par on 18.
And he does some Mr. Blaylock stuff. A complete Icarito. He just launches it into the hospitality tent. Then he gambles on a recovery shot. Hits it into, I think he hits a tree. Makes double. Immediately says, I'm such an idiot, which is, you know, very relatable, personally. So it's just with all the context of all the runner-ups, and that's the one, when you think about, like,
So I know you mentioned Marion earlier, but when people are like Mickelson runner-ups in US Open, like what do you think of? I think of him hitting it off the hospitality tent for sure is the first thing that comes to mind. Because it was on 18 and because it was like very clear like, dude, just make a quality par at the last. You're a world-class golfer.
But even then, just make the bogey from where you drove it and you play in a playoff the next day and you do not need to be a hero right here. Yeah. And you throw in that Monty also double bogeyed 18 from the fairway. So sick. Basically lose it as well, which is just crushing stuff because he's had some U.S. Open misses over the past, before this, like 15 years.
And then Ogilvy, you know, he makes a clutch up and down late. And I just kind of, you know, maybe not like the most exciting winner, but like I don't really care because U.S. Open for me is always known as like, Yeah, like fucking Lucas Glover won it, you know, and Michael Campbell. It's like the part of the U.S.
Open is like sometimes just some random dude wins, and that's totally fine with me if they win it at like plus five, which is what Ogilvy did at Wingfoot. So 2006, God, I'm in sophomore year of high school, and I remember watching this. So very impactful time to be watching this in my adolescence. Give me Wingfoot. Give me Mickelson Meltdown Nation. Okay, a couple things.
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Chapter 7: How did the 2000 US Open at Pebble Beach impact golf history?
And then, you know, the trophy ceremony, it's like... I don't know. Are we, you know, inebriated? I don't know. You know, there's just a lot. Was that that year? Yes. Yes. Among other years. A lot, a lot of chaos that day. And yeah. And I thought, you know, Oakmont just cementing itself as like, you know, big, big test of golf as, you know, as it's done every time that the open goes there.
So I will take 2016 with my, with my snake pick. It was going to be the one I was going to take. I mean, it's just there's so much good stuff. And Jon Rahm and Scotty Scheffler playing as amateurs is fun. Andrew Landry. Lowry's Meltdown, too. Lowry's Meltdown. I mean, it's just – And I'll just – you know, for the judges, I'm just curating just the entertainment value of the U.S. Open.
I really like what I've got cooking right here as far as just great finishes for various reasons. You've got good venues, too, Neil. Pinehurst, Oakmont.
i'm not as big of a fan of winged foot but good but it's a it's a big boy golf course it is it is you know u.s open venue wing foot you can't you can't take that away it might not be your u.s open venue tc but it belongs in that rota randy should have done tory aaron hills chambers uh you know just collected everybody's most most polarizing aaron hills page congressional All right, my pick.
You've kind of back-footed me here a little bit, Neil. So I'm going to simp, but not in the way that you think. I know what you're doing. I'm going to simp in my way. I'm going to cook my flavors. I'm going to dance with the one that brought me, which is 2015 at Chambers Bay, Jordan Spieth.
God winning when your guy, Dustin Johnson, Neil three putts on the last hole, maybe the most famous three putt in the history of golf. I forgot about that. DJ the greens player. The greens are insane. Mr. Player. How are you this morning? Uh, Billy Horschel doing the, the snake thing on the greens, every player's upset.
And who's left standing at the end of it is our beautiful boy winning his second major in a row.
the grand slam is alive for for little baby jordan speed i mean it was like you had all the fox stuff you got a holly saunders on the broadcast i mean it's just like just chaos man stuff and suit remember that plane went down too yeah the plane goes down there's smoke in the background there was the uh the marshall telling the train to stop
the quiet please with the train that's an iconic picture right the grace of the trade tracks you got Luis and putting with his eyes closed making bombs on the on the Sunday you got Rory with a true like maybe the biggest like if if Rory can go out in 27 maybe he's got a chance type of run that he may I mean or she'll dance exactly exactly uh I don't think we knew how good we had it was this the Jason Day Vertigo thing too
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Chapter 8: What were the outcomes of the draft and the judges' decisions?
This was the other thing. I believe Sunday morning, not or excuse me, Saturday morning. This would have been before the final day of regulation play. Fleck heard, quote, a voice that told him he was going to win. That's cool. And he ended up making a playoff, and then he bested his hero, Ben Hogan, in the playoff the next day. He shot 69 to Hogan's 72, wins by three.
It's just an incredible kind of underdog story. Of course, Francis Womet is the ultimate underdog story, but I feel like Jack Fleck is right up there in terms of just unlikely winners of the U.S. Open. The disrespect that has to come with...
one you put hogan out earlier just for tv window and like all right fleck we're gonna throw you in the back he was one shot behind it sounds like when they awarded like hogan the title like on tv like all right television windows all right hogan won here you go and no one thought he could possibly make a birdie coming into time and send it to a playoff
Uh, Deej, I also find it funny when we did the Pete Dye deep dive. Uh, I think Pete Dye played golf with Hogan and was all worried about at, uh, Seminole. And he's like, shit, I better have his clubs with me. He had, uh, so Pete Dye took lessons from Tommy armor. And so he played Tommy armor clubs and then he got invited to play with, uh, Pete Dye or with, uh, Ben Hogan at Seminole.
And he's like, oh my God, he's going to be so mad that I'm not playing Ben Hogan clubs. So then he went into the golf shop at Seminole, bought a new set of irons of Ben Hogan irons, took them behind the golf shop and dinged them up so that they didn't look like they were brand new. Just all time, all time stuff. Everybody's just scared of Hogan. Oh no, I love your stuff, Mr. Hogan. Yeah.
it's a great pick randall and a fascinating guy remember we did a like a little mini dive on him a few years ago just like unlikely winners pod or something like that just an interesting guy from iowa ran some golf courses up there and just yeah i mean a total total surprise and kind of set the tone for uh what would happen in olympic club i think that happened with like the lee jansen win it was always like all these big names are in the mix and then the absolute curveball uh always tends to win out at olympic club
Randy's got 1960 Cherry Hills, 1950 Marion, 1955 Olympic Club. He's going for the boomer vote. Wow. We need some old judges. He's got some scare tactics going. He's got the Penn Burns collection. I feel like coming back around, Randy's going to be looking hard at 1901 at Myopia. Willie Anderson wins at 331. PTI off the charts. TC. A lot of directions we could go here.
We could go 1911 to Chicago Golf Club. John McDermott wins his first. Everybody was crushed after the death of Willie Anderson, who won four. Sure. It was a playoff. What a story, John McDermott. I was going to say... uh still the youngest us open champion there in 1911. sad story yeah sad story gosh what else could we do we could do Yeah, I mean, 48 Hogan Snead demerit. That was a good one.
We could do the monster. You're just going to bounce around and nuke a bunch of them? Yeah, kind of. We could do 91. Give us your pick. You're getting ticed here if you don't make a pick. Okay, we're going to do 1994. This was the whole thing. I was like, how is this not a TC first rounder? Because it fell to me. I got two great ones, and it fell to me. I played the board perfectly.
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