Off the Cuffs: a kink and BDSM podcast
Activity Overview
Episode publication activity over the past year
Episodes
294 - Coffee Dad: a New Year's update
05 Jan 2022
Contributed by Lukas
This week Dick and Gwen sat down once again to give you all an update on where we're at with our lives and the show. Dick talks about temporarily movi...
293 - Jinx: a conversation about every kink and the kitchen sink
15 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with The Rabbi, a kink educator with an eclectic mix of topping interests. We talked about kink you can do on a dollar store bud...
292 - Are You a Friend of My Uncle Dick's? A conversation about kink collars
08 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week we (Dick and Gwen) bought each other collars, something we've been negotiating for awhile, so we wanted to take an episode to talk about our...
291 - What Mistake?: a conversation about bootblacking and brothels
01 Dec 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with jezeBelle to talk about their experience working at a legal brothel in Nevada and their feelings on the brothel system as a...
290 - The Crab Claw: a conversation about painful chastity play
24 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Dick and Gwen sat down for a follow-up to their chastity/denial episode from a couple of weeks ago. We talked about Gwen's experience of get...
289 - Second Breakfast: a conversation with the hosts of the Kinky Tavern podcast
17 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Miss Dizzy and Pup Rekkr from a new kink podcast, The Kinky Tavern. We asked them about their dynamic in which they share a...
288 - No Time to Bleed: a conversation about chastity play and denial
10 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
With all of the chastity challenges going on at this time of year, Dick and Gwen thought it would be a great time to talk about chastity play and deni...
287 - Dick Abandonment: a conversation about kinky comics and breeding kink
03 Nov 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Gwen and Lexi sat down with Rogue Kitty to talk all about her love of kinky comics! We also covered breeding kink, humiliation/degradation,...
286 - Sinking and Swimming: a conversation about subspace
27 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Gwen decided to dedicate a full episode to talking about subspace! We talked about what this headspace is like for each of us, how...
285 - Anonymous Splendor Square: a conversation about running a BDSM club
20 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Mr. Diamond and Miss Violit to talk about co-running Heroine Girls Clubhouse, a BDSM/fetish club in Baltimore, and what it'...
284 - Driving for Dick: a conversation about puppy play and scat fetish
13 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Pup Arrgos to talk about pack power dynamic structures, finding your pup identity, and the many different flavors of puppy...
283 - Living Deliciously: a conversation about fear play and kinky horror movies
06 Oct 2021
Contributed by Lukas
It's finally Dick and Gwen's favorite time of year—Halloween season! This week, we'll be discussing horror movie tropes that make us horny, as well ...
282 - Time Flies and Airplanes Crash: a conversation about kink and neurodiversity
29 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Magic to talk about being kinky and autistic—more specifically, how their kink life has changed since they discovered th...
281 - Satan is Daddy: a conversation about being a kinky author, DD/lg, and mental health
22 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we welcomed returning guest Kate Sloan back on the show! We talked all about her upcoming book, 101 Kinky Things Even You Can Do, including...
280 - Dick and max... Together AGwen
15 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Dick's surgery is over, and while we're still in New York, we thought it would be fun to do an in-person mini-episode with max! We had a lit...
279 - The Bed Post Podcast Episode 282: Honey Rose
08 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
Dick is still in recovery from surgery this week, and our friend Erin Pim, host of The Bed Post Podcast, generously offered to let us air one of her e...
278 - The Dildorks Episode 217: Holy Matrimony
01 Sep 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week Dick is recovering from surgery, so our friends Kate and Bex of The Dildorks podcast were kind enough to let us borrow one of their episodes...
277 - Hail Fruit Juice: A conversation about managing burnout, stress, and kink
25 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Gwen are burnt out. Between moving, mental health, and heart complications that Dick is dealing with, we thought it would be a goo...
276 - Blindfold Not Required: a conversation about adult nursing relationships and disability in kink
18 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Onyx to talk about kink and blindness, as well as what it's like to host a munch for blind kinksters called Blindfold Not ...
275 - Rick, You Little Meatball! A conversation about kinky pet names and honorifics
11 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Gwen sat down to talk about their love language—no, not the hippie-dippie kind—but the names and titles we use to turn each ot...
274 - The Anti Dick Wound: A conversation about desperation kink and sex toys
04 Aug 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Mistress Kay to talk all about desperation kink. She told us about her interest in all kinds of desperation, whether it re...
273 - The Texas Sales Pitch : A conversation about mouthsoaping fetish
28 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Gwen sat down to talk about a mouthsoaping fetish custom we created recently, including what we got out of it personally, and some...
272 - Bring Out the Camera: a conversation about kinky photography and taboo kinks
21 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Lexi sat down with Delilah Darkholme to talk about being a queer and kinky photographer, as well as developing unexpected kinks an...
271 - It's the Wiggles for Me: A conversation about tickling fetish
14 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Gwen sat down to talk about their growing interest in tickling fetish. They discussed how this fetish interplays with bondage, vul...
270 - Pee Pee Break, Pweeze? A conversation about medical kink, embarrassment, and humiliation
07 Jul 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Gwen strapped Lexi into the hot seat for her first time as a guest! We discussed her interests in medical kink as a bottom, as wel...
269 - Hot Takes on Misogyny: a conversation about navigating misogyny kink
30 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Gwen sat down to talk about playing with misogyny. We covered some of the roleplays we've used it in, as well as how to negotiate ...
268 - At Your Service: a conversation about service submission and rope
23 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Freckles, who told us all about his service submission, what it's like to serve a Femdom collective, and how rope and susp...
267 - I Beg You, I Beg You Not: A conversation about begging kink
16 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Gwen sat down to talk about begging kink. We talked about begging for things we love, begging for things we hate, begging vocabula...
266 - My Spidey Sense is Tingling: a conversation about asexuality, attraction, and sex work
09 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Ellie Next Door to talk about asexuality and the differences between various types of attraction. We also talk about her w...
265 - Oily Grapefruit: a conversation about oil fetish
02 Jun 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Gwen sat down to talk about oil fetish! They talk about oil's visual/tactile appeal, as well as its practical applications, includ...
264 - Goblins and al Ghuls: a conversation about roleplay, masks, and costumes
26 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Rubber Roswell, self-proclaimed "wannabe villain and wearer of masks," to discuss the transformative power of character ro...
263 - Ogres Are Like Onions: a conversation about coming out as kinky
19 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Gwen sat down to talk about the many Shrek-like, oniony layers of coming out as kinky. They talk about coming out to yourself, com...
262 - Education Squared: a conversation about kink education, gender, and authority transfer
12 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week's episode starts off with a conversation between Dick and Lexi about their recent loss of a close friend. Also, Gwen opens up about her rece...
261 - Jibber-Jabber: a conversation about gagging fetish and pet play
05 May 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Gwen sat down to discuss gags and gagging fetish, focusing on a research-based scene, as well as a more intimate scene they did re...
260 - The Smoking Loner: a conversation about sneezing fetish, taboo play, and body hair worship
28 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with content creator Princess Kira to talk about sneezing fetish, taboo/incest role play, smoking fetish, and body hair worship...
259 - Not a Lawn Guyland Gal: Our Five-Year Anniversary Episode!
21 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick, Gwen, and max sat down to reminisce on five years of Off the Cuffs, give some updates about the show and their lives, and talk about ...
258 - Precious Goldbloomers: a conversation about sex-repulsion and watersports
14 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Peaches to discuss being a pro-domme with sex-repulsion, finding a place in the kink community after experiencing trauma, ...
257 - Squishing Diaper Butts: a conversation about ABDL, dino dildos, and forced bi play
07 Apr 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with The Adorable Domme, Miss Mae Ling! We talked about a variety of kinks and fetishes, such as food play, ABDL, cosplay, force...
255 - Logical Vulcanization: a conversation about the history of latex and DIY kink
24 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Whiteout to talk about all things rubber and latex. We also discussed how to do kink on a budget, such as zentai suits as ...
254 - Horny for Space Rocks: a conversation about superhero kinks and being a kinky illustrator
17 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with illustrator Space Pup Silver to discuss superhero kinks and fetishes! We talked about his fascination with tropes, especia...
253 - Smash! Smash! Smash! A conversation about athletic kinks and kink-aware therapy
10 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Frisco the Sex Therapist to talk about physical health and sexuality. We covered the sexiness of sweat and exertion, as we...
252 - Getting Wolfie: a conversation about the intersection of race, gender, and kink
03 Mar 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with sociologist Dr. Ali Mushtaq to talk about being a kink/BDSM educator who focuses on the intersection of race, gender, and ...
251 - Still, There Is No Jar: a conversation about erotic hypnosis and bimboification
24 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down for part two of our lovely conversation with sleepingirl and cckitten of the Two Hyp Chicks podcast! We continue our discussion...
250 - There Is No Jar: a conversation about erotic hypnosis, kinky brainwashing, and Neurolinguistic programming
17 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down for part one of our two part episode with sleepingirl and cckitten of the Two Hyp Chicks podcast! We talked about many aspects ...
249 - Shame Resilience: a conversation about emotional intimacy and D/s conflict resolution
10 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with sex coach Dr. Alison Ash to discuss the importance of emotional intimacy and shame in relation to kink and BDSM, as well a...
248 - Franco Sure Was Horny: a conversation about role play, vampires, and dark fantasies
03 Feb 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Moth Meadows to talk about world building within your sex life! We talked about the various ongoing role plays they engage...
247 - Dixie, Dick, and the Bully Stick: a conversation about creative kink and sexy storytelling
27 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with sexual folklorist Dixie De La Tour, host of Bawdy Storytelling, to talk about the importance of storytelling, and how shar...
246 - Ageplay is so Passé: a conversation about ageplay and D/s dynamics
20 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Mako Allen, co-host of The Big Little Podcast, to talk about his 20+ year journey with ageplay in the kink community. We a...
245 - Sanding My Metal Dicks: a conversation about facesitting, watersports, and scat play
13 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Sir Esquire to discuss facesitting, smothering, covert watersports at work, and food enemas (using pudding, applesauce, yo...
244 - Grilled Cheese Day: a hungover Q&A on New Year's Day
06 Jan 2021
Contributed by Lukas
New year, new episode! 🍾 The day after our New Year's festivities, we sat down and answered some questions from listeners about kinks we want to ex...
243 - Zollipops: a conversation about dental fetish, humiliation/degradation, and human pig play
30 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Tamera Chatelle to discuss dental fetish, mouth/facial distortion, and human pig play! Some other topics include objectifi...
242 - Ludachristmas: a conversation about financial domination and fetish content creation
23 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with FatFemmeFrisky to discuss financial domination from both sides of the coin, as well as consensual blackmail/homewrecking p...
241 - Unit 4015: a conversation about dronification and wet and messy play
16 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Scarlett Rayne to discuss creating and selling wet and messy fetish content, dronification and hive mind play, and how wea...
Hail Seitan and Other OCP Updates
14 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In this mini-episode, Dick, Gwen, Lexi, and max sat down to talk about the future of Off the Cuffs, Dick's bum ticker, and some general life updates. ...
240 - Hot Dogs and Donuts: a conversation about bodily fluid fetishes and sounding
09 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Tanner Dunkley to talk about being kinky after growing up Mormon in the heart of Utah, as well as bodily fluid fetishes an...
239 - Leatherface is a Unit: a conversation about monster fantasies and primal play
02 Dec 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Aether to discuss monster fantasies, and how using a monster/prey mindset, and occasionally some fake monster dicks, pairs...
238 - Moon Over My Hammy: a conversation about online kink and vetting
25 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and max sat down with Princess Unity to discuss creating a consent-positive, sex-positive online play space to meet kinksters and expl...
237 - No Business in There: a conversation about primal play and intersectionality in kink
18 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Lexi sat down with Feral Rose to discuss her brand of primal play, preferring bare hands and rough body play to toys, as well as (...
236 - One of Us: a conversation about Stepfordization kink
11 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and max were joined by Smokey to discuss her interest and writings about Stepfordization, and how it crosses over with other kinks (su...
235 - Gail the Snail: a conversation about erotic ASMR, mouth play, and monster role plays
04 Nov 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In this follow-up to their recent episode together, this time, Dick put Gwen in the hot seat and asked her about erotic ASMR and other mouth-related p...
234 - A Lil' French Vanilla: a conversation about finding your place in the kink community
28 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Nikki to talk about finding her place in the community as a top/sadist after starting off as a submissive, sleepover-style...
233 - Cinema Pornadiso: a conversation about growing up kinky in a conservative area and 24/7 D/s dynamics
21 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Athena to discuss coming to terms with being kinky while growing up in a conservative area, as well as the practice of doi...
232 - With a Side of Fava Beans: a conversation about the acceptance of sex work in kink communities
14 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Pro-Domme Lady Lovage to talk about how she used real-life military experience to influence her role plays, as well as pus...
231 - Leveling Up (+3 TP): a conversation about human toilet play, ear sex, gagging, vomit play, foot play, and sock play
07 Oct 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, guest host Bidaily (Gwen) interviewed Dick about their recent explorations into human toilet play, and what that means for their dynamic. T...
230 - Not That Kind of Girl: a conversation about writing erotic fiction
30 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with author Jane Boon to talk about traveling to dungeons around the world, as well as the research that led to writing her nov...
229 - HEE-HOO PEANUT: a conversation about comedic sadism
23 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we were joined by Danger Mittens to talk about comedic sadism, including incorporating silliness and playfulness into scenes, as well as usi...
228 - Neil Hurt Presents: Bum Drumming and Other Percussions: a conversation about safewords, role plays, consent, and sex parties
16 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Roger Butler, host of the podcast Curious Conversations About Sex, to talk about the importance of safewords (in and out ...
227 - Only Zuul: a conversation about online kink communities and burlesque
09 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Lexi were in the process of moving to Michigan, so max sat down with Mermaid Kitten to discuss being a little while living in a sm...
226 - Sweatpants Make Me Mad: a conversation about wetting fetish and vulnerability
02 Sep 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Mistress Bunny to talk about her wetting fetish, including the visual appeal in certain clothing, the sound, and the vulne...
225 - MMMBop Still Slaps: a conversation about ordeal and rituals in kink, needle play, and how kink relates to Paganism
26 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Thista Minai, author of Suffering for Spirit, to talk about ordeal work and rituals, needle play, and combining kink and Pa...
224 - That's No Stick in the Mud: a conversation about wet and messy play
19 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Mud, finger paints, and cake sitting, oh my! This week, we sat down with Mudislife to discuss all things wet and messy play, such as his origins of do...
223 - A Bit of a Stretch: a conversation about how occupational therapy relates to kink, and sensory deprivation kink
12 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with occupational therapist Lancifolium to discuss how to better posture yourself for play so the only pain is that which is in...
222 - If the Coffee Shoe Fits: a conversation about power exchange
05 Aug 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick and Lexi sat down with Pete, Gloriosa, and Cassidy from Glasgow Does to talk about the kink scene in Scotland, as well as starting a l...
221 - Is the Butthole in the Downcrease?
29 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick, max, and Lexi sat down without a guest to field listener questions and give some brief life updates, such as Dick's recent exploratio...
220 - Lots of Heavy Breathing: a conversation about hoods, masks, and puppy play
22 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with Johnathon Hood to dive into all things hoods and masks, puppy play, and being in a 24/7 D/s relationship that occasionally...
219 - The Wrong Chapter: an interview with an erotic fiction narrator
15 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we sat down with erotic fiction narrator Katrina Medina to talk about her work, practicing kink discreetly, and how a sci-fi novel accident...
218 - I'd Like to Take His Face Off: a conversation about using kink to work through trauma
08 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
In the second part of our series on using kink to work through trauma, we sat down with Apocalyptic Tea to discuss working through internalized shame,...
217 - A-hole New World: a conversation about using kink to work through trauma
01 Jul 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, we're beginning a two-part series on using kink to work through trauma. In part one, we sat down with Th3MadVillain to discuss his entry in...
216 - We're Not Here to #@%$ Spiders: a conversation about sex work and custom fetish content
24 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Nia to talk about her personal kink and professional sex work journey, which spans from massage parlors and dancing, to cus...
215 - For a Limited Time Only: a conversation about transformation and bimboification fetishes
17 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with HerpaDurp to discuss her interest in transformation, including gender swapping, anthropomorphic fantasies, bimboification, ...
214 - I'm Made of Meat: a conversation about joining the kink community and using kink to help recover from trauma
11 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with meatprincess to discuss her beginnings in the kink community, sex work, and how she plays with various sensations on scar t...
Blackout
03 Jun 2020
Contributed by Lukas
We are not posting and/or promoting a new episode this week in observance of the blackout. We're not just sitting this week out to let other voices ta...
213 - Jump to Conclusions: a conversation about coming out as genderqueer
27 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we continue our chat with Allan Hunter in part two of our discussion about the journey of coming out as gender queer in the 80s, long before...
212 - We Have To Go Back: a conversation about coming out as genderqueer
20 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Allan Hunter for part one of our discussion about the journey of coming out as gender queer in the 80s, long before the con...
211 - An Angel Gets Its Wings: a conversation about long-distance kink and masochism
13 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Dirty Lola to discuss being a masochist while in isolation and maintaining long distance kink dynamics both prior to and du...
210 - The Ghost of Wedgies Past: a conversation about wedgie fetish
06 May 2020
Contributed by Lukas
WE'RE BACK!!! Sort of... this week we did a short trial run recording from different quarantine locations just to see if we could get max and Lexi bac...
209 - Smoke Gets In Your Eyes: a conversation about boot worship, dollification, and smoking fetish
29 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
Dick kicks off Season Five with Mx Winter where they discuss boot worship, dollification, and smoking fetish! Twitter/Instagram: @ocpkink More by POD...
208 - OCP Prime Directives: a conversation about gynoid and fembot fetishes
22 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick closes out season four with Jess. They explore her recent revelation of identifying as a gynoid/fembot as both a kink persona, and to ...
207 - Shin Golf: a conversation about being a blind dominatrix
15 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Dick is joined by Mistress Blind via Skype to discuss how her blindness informed and inspired her brand of "revenge" style sadism and domin...
206 - This Sucks... Why Am I Turned On? A conversation about suffering and masochism
08 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Carter Brûlée to discuss the differences between having a fetish for suffering and masochism, scenes of affirmation, and ...
205 - Rub A Dub Dub: a conversation about soap fetish and feminization
01 Apr 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Jack to talk about their soap fetish (mouth soaping-and more!) and feminization as an AFAB but masc presenting person. Foll...
204 - You Made Sausage? A conversation about spandex fetish and kink as meditation
25 Mar 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with HiThereCatsuit to talk about spandex and bodysuits, as well as using kink as a form of meditation to obtain a more present ...
203 - Thanks Mr. Skin: a conversation about tease and denial and being a nice domme
18 Mar 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Mistress Schari to discuss Pro-Domming, tease and denial, and what it means to be a "nice" Domme. Follow on Twitter/Instagr...
202 - Behold a Small Horse, and She Who Rode Him Was Alice: a conversation about sex work, foot worship, and primal play
11 Mar 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Alice Little of the Moonlite BunnyRanch to discuss full service sex work, foot worship, and primal/rough body play as a tin...
201 - Plan for the Best and Hope for the Worst?
05 Mar 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week, Lexi and max sit down with Rachael Rose of the Hedonish blog to talk about navigating sex with a disability, running queer sex parties, an...
200 - The Coolest Way To Dox Yourself: a Boycott & Celebration of OCP
26 Feb 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we discuss some recent events involving harassment, as well as check in with our returning guest, Majikroxx, about the past few years and ho...
199 - Puns of Steel w/ Pup Amp
19 Feb 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Pup Amp, Co-Creator of Watts The Safeword, to discuss his journey into kink, being a pup, and the censorship issues he's be...
198 - Tickle Your Mental Pickle
12 Feb 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Tawney Seren about writing erotica, running the Open Bobs BB sex education blog, and how a custom request while camming ope...
197 - Turtles of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Wilson)
05 Feb 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Harley Wilson to talk about thigh-high stockings, crossdressing, and how nerd culture influenced his kink journey. Follow o...
196 - Esme About the Lamb Sauce
30 Jan 2020
Contributed by Lukas
This week we sat down with Princess Esme to talk about her journey into the kink community, going from sub to switch, and working through a period of ...