On Purpose with Jay Shetty
Big Sean: 5 Ways to Get Unstuck From Where You Are Now (Simple Strategies to Eliminate Endless Hours of Work)
Fri, 17 Jan 2025
What makes you feel stuck right now? How do you tackle time-consuming tasks? Today, Jay sits down with Grammy-nominated rapper, multi-platinum artist, and first-time author, Big Sean. This special episode marks Sean’s third appearance on the show, but this time, he’s here to share deeper insights into mental health, purpose, and his debut book, Go Higher, set to release in January 2025. During the conversation, Big Sean reflects on his personal battles with anxiety, depression, and letting go of control. He shares the transformative role of spiritual practices in his life and how they inspired him to write a book that offers tools for self-care, growth, and purpose. Sean opens up about one of the toughest lessons he's ever had to learn — accepting the things he can't change — and how that acceptance became his pathway to peace and clarity. Jay and Sean also explore the power of "separating self from success," where Sean explains why money isn’t the true measure of success. Instead, he defines success as the feeling of living in alignment with your purpose and positively impacting others. In a vulnerable moment, Sean discusses the grief of experiencing a miscarriage and how he and his partner found light in the darkness. He also opens up about his journey with fatherhood, the process of quitting Adderall, and how he manages trauma through intentional strategy and meditation. From music to mindfulness, Sean reflects on his evolution as an artist, a man, and now, an author. In this interview, you'll learn: How to Redefine Success on Your Own Terms How to Use Radical Acceptance to Overcome Life’s Challenges How to Separate Self-Worth from Wealth and Achievement How to Attract Purpose Instead of Chasing It How to Embrace Spiritual Growth for Mental Clarity and Peace Every challenge you face holds the seed of transformation. When you accept your reality and stop resisting, you open yourself up to new opportunities for growth. Let Big Sean’s wisdom guide you on your journey to go higher. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty Join over 750,000 people to receive my most transformative wisdom directly in your inbox every single week with my free newsletter. Subscribe here. What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 04:05 Sharing Personal Hardships Through Writing 06:36 Define Your Idea of Success 10:17 The Power of Separation? 12:41 The Kobe Mindset 16:43 Acceptance Isn’t Giving Up 20:07 Attracting Energy versus Chasing Energy 27:09 Learnings From Being a Father 31:39 Living Through Your Kids 33:33 Healing Generational Trauma 35:06 Teach Your Child to Be Confident 38:08 How Do You Become Strategic? 41:42 Effectivity in Being Strategic 45:58 Learn to Set Boundaries 49:35 Respect Your Self 52:55 Don’t Lose Yourself 55:01 Exercising Boundaries 58:00 Affirmations, Gratitude, and Journaling 01:02:44 What’s Your Meditation Practice? 01:07:00 Different Approaches to Therapy 01:08:24 Battling with Addiction and Depression 01:14:26 The Importance of Education 01:17:32 Giving Up Music 01:18:42 Last Conversation with Kanye 01:23:53 Staying Optimistic After Miscarriage 01:26:18 Finding Hope in Dark Times 01:27:34 Living with Miracles Everyday Episode Resources: Big Sean | Website Big Sean | X Big Sean | Instagram Big Sean | Tiktok Big Sean | Youtube Big Sean | Facebook Go Higher: Five Practices for Purpose, Success, and Inner PeaceSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Chapter 1: What are the personal hardships Big Sean shares?
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Every day I wake up, I'm one day closer to death. So what you gonna do with the time you got left? Big Sean. Hey! One of the biggest blessings is going through a time where you are feeling at your lowest or depressed or whatever the feeling is, because that is just confirmation that you're not in alignment and that you're meant for something different, something greater.
What's the difference between attracting energy and chasing energy?
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Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to become happier, healthier, and more healed. Three things that are so important to the human condition. Today's guest is on for not the first, not the second, but a third time special. One of your favorite guests. One of your favorite interactions. We both hear about it all the time.
I'm talking about my dear friend and incredible artist, Big Sean. Grammy-nominated rapper, songwriter, friend of the podcast, and now a first-time author. His new book is called Go Higher, The Five Practices for Purpose, Success, and Inner Peace, which combines his insights on self-care with actionable tools set to release in January 2025.
Now, despite his achievements, he has been open about his struggles with anxiety and depression, turning to spiritual practices to find balance. Through his music and now his writing, Big Sean inspires others to overcome their own challenges and reach their fullest potential.
Please welcome my dear friend, someone that I believe is so inspiring, deeply insightful, philosophical, a guide, a teacher, a leader, Big Sean.
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Chapter 2: How does Big Sean define success differently?
is really activating your purpose. And happiness is something that you can choose instantly. Your happiness is something that you could choose instantly. And it's something that I learned the hard way. Because when I have falling into a dark time. We all go through these ups and downs.
When I've been down bad and the depression comes in, the anxiety comes in, the self-sabotage comes in, and you can hold onto these things and they will stick with you your whole life. You have to decide to let them go. And that's one of the things I talk about in the book. A lot of people may not know how to do that, and there are a lot of ways. But one of the first ways is to choose how you feel.
You're in control of that. And it's easier said than done because when things aren't going your way, you're pissed off at everybody. You're like blaming everything. Well, first of all, you have to quit blaming everything else and realize that you're a magnet. You're magnetizing your whole world to you.
You know, so if that's the case, obviously you switch it to an emotion that resonates with you more of how at least how you desire to feel. Right. And you can choose that. And I'm telling you, your whole experience will change. So happiness is something you can choose immediately.
Yeah. One thing that stood out to me listening to you was the power of separation. I've never heard it like that before.
Yeah.
And I really like that term because we have to learn to separate society's views and our views. We have to learn to separate, as you said, our definition of success and other people's definition of success.
And separate what you control and what you can't control.
So how do we develop the power of separation? What does it take to cultivate that within ourselves, to have that ability? Because I feel most of us don't practice the power of separation.
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Chapter 3: What is the power of separation in life?
It's just the recognition to me. One of the biggest blessings in your life is growing pains. One of the biggest blessings is going through a time where you are feeling at your lowest or depressed or whatever the feeling is, because that is just confirmation that you're not in alignment and that you're meant for something different or you're meant for something more, something greater.
You know, if you were satisfied with where you're at, then that just is what it is. And, you know, you probably wouldn't even be depressed. But because you are, because you feel a certain way or like you're not all the way there, that is just confirmation that you are truly, truly meant for more or something different.
So to me, I think that when you recognize, okay, once you start recognizing things of that nature, you can say, okay, what's the first step of getting out of this? And so that's part of the book. I say, accepting where you are. That doesn't mean you have to like... You have to like stay there.
That just means accepting the blessings and all the things that come along with where you are to open up space for more. And you're letting go of all the baggage that is holding and weighing you down. I used to be like that. I used to be like, when things don't go my way, I'm terrible. oh, this doesn't happen the way I wanted it to or the way I saw it, my whole mood is shot.
I'm not to say that things don't affect me when they don't go my way, but I have the armor on now. I know how to deal with it. I know how to get over it and get back to it. That's how a lot of my heroes deal with things too. When you think of Denzel Washington, say he has a new movie out, Say the movie does amazing and it's incredible and he wins an Oscar.
Say the movie comes out and it bombs or doesn't do as well. He's not going to give up and quit. It's not going to ruin his life. He's going to move on to the next thing and use that to the power of separation. I mean, you know, that's a real thing.
Yeah, you reminded me of, I love Denzel too. Yeah, I know.
You reminded me of- I can't speak for Denzel. That's just like an example.
Yeah, of what you're perceiving. I remember my football coach growing up gave me this piece of advice and it stayed with me ever since then. He would say to us, if you lose, cry for a night. And he goes, if you win, celebrate for a night, but then get back to training. So if you lose, cry for a night, but then get back to training. And if you win, celebrate for a night and get back to training.
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Chapter 4: How can acceptance lead to personal growth?
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, talking about Kobe, I think what resonated with me most about him is that he was at peace in retirement and athletes who are retired don't always find peace because naturally it was so important to be on the field.
Right, right.
And so no judgment towards anyone, but it's so hard to not be on the court anymore and not miss it and want to be there. And he had found a new purpose. And that's the most interesting thing is that you don't get to peace by... pursuing it and you don't get to peace by trying to pursue more prizes and more wins.
Yeah.
You get to peace by finding your purpose. And that's what he did. And so I want to talk about in your book, because you really give people these five practices.
Yeah.
And I want to give people a game plan, a roadmap today in our interview so that when they read the book.
Yeah.
they can kind of connect the dots between things you've said today. And I want everyone to go out and grab a copy of the book because I really feel it simplifies. I feel like so much of this space is like mystical, complex. And it can take a long time, but what you've done is you've really demystified and go higher your book the pathway to get there.
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Chapter 5: What does Big Sean say about attracting energy versus chasing it?
And then there are some people who actually learn maybe even more and become more of a positive force for the world to change it by learning, of what not to do from their parents directly all the time, or not all the time, but like in certain situations, you know?
So I just think that, you know, you being the mediator, you were on a course, you were learning at such a young age of things to apply or what not to apply to your marriage. And the fact that you were that, because we talked about it off camera, the fact that you were a mediator, the fact that you were that for your family at such a young age, it's just incredible.
Because look at the path that it's led you to. Man, you're impacting everybody, man. You're impacting like the world, you know, and me and everybody.
families and you're really changing it with like the the person you are in the heart that you have have you know so wow i'm just i just got to pay my respect to you no you're too kind man i got lucky i met good men i feel like important people we've talked about in previous interviews when you've come on about your mother's role in your life oh yeah and how pivotal she was and for me my monk teachers you met rather than at swami
yeah when when he came to mass you came over a couple of years back amazing and you met him and meeting him was so pivotal to my whole spiritual journey i was going to ask you i've been talking about kids picking their parents noah picked you yeah he did talk to us about how fatherhood has transformed your views on the learning experience of what you've learned from fatherhood that you couldn't have learned from anything else
Well, when you have a kid and you see them and they look like you and they look like their mom, you see that they smile like you or smile like her. You know, you see all these things and you realize, OK, and then they kind of look like my brother and they kind of look like her granddad and her, you know, all these different family members. Right. And you're like, this is really crazy.
And he'll do something that is like reminiscent of what you used to do. Right. So then I realized that, OK. The DNA is like a computer. It's information that gets passed on, on and on and on, right? So you're really the culmination of a whole lineage, right? And in you.
So one of the things that I learned from him, because there are times in my life where I'm like, man, I wish I could talk to my grandma. You know, my grandma was a female black captain in World War II, man. She was crazy. She was incredible. And like, or my granddad, they met in World War II, right?
Or like, I wish I could like, I'd be like, man, I wish I could like speak to them or like get advice from them now, you know? I only known them as a little kid. And then I realized that the information is already in me. All I have to do is just go deeper within and really connect with that. And that's something that I learned from my son being born. Somehow that clicked is like,
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Chapter 6: How has fatherhood transformed Big Sean's perspective?
I've never met him. He unfortunately passed when I was super little and I never even met him. But he's a part of me too. And I think that's also why it's important to work on yourself and to heal certain traumatic experiences because with all this information we pass on, you also pass on The good and the bad, you know what I mean? Well said.
So, you know, you heal things health-wise and you heal things traumatic-wise, you know, or trauma-wise. And, you know, it's really important to work on yourself physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually because you pass on all of that as well.
Yeah, for sure, man. I mean, that's what's so interesting, right? Like within you, you have the coding of the greatness and the heritage and you have the coding of... The unhealed generational trauma that keeps being passed down.
What was something you had to look at in your background and past, generationally, traumatically, that wasn't healed, that you were like, I'm not going to pass this to Noah? Like, this has to stop this time.
Oh, so many things. So many. Like, worry, one thing. I used to worry so much, create all of these scenarios in my head. And I think that's like a double-edged sword. When you have an imagination and you're creative, you create, right? So you can create good, you can create bad. But one of the experiences that life has taught me is to never worry. No matter what, you're going to be fine.
I think one of my biggest fears used to be like, what if I lose everything, right? And what if I have to go back to... Growing up in Detroit in the hood, blah, blah, blah. And then it's just like, well, I was happy there too. I shouldn't be scared to lose any of this stuff because this stuff is conditional. And it's like, I'm going to be good wherever I'm at.
I remember when I talked to Sad Guru, I was like, where's your favorite place in the world? He's like, wherever I'm at. And I was like, damn, you know? So it kind of goes back to that, that like, that's one of the things I don't want to pass on to them. It's like, you never have to worry, you know? You know, you could be fueled. You could let something inspire you to be greater.
You could let something light a fire under you, but like, don't ever worry because you have what it takes to get to wherever you got to get to, you know?
Yeah, yeah. How do you kind of imprint that in a young person?
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Chapter 7: What strategies can help in overcoming life's challenges?
Chapter 8: How can we heal generational trauma?
Like what is required for this to actually have an impact on someone and to serve them and help them?
Yeah, and that's what we're here to do, is to serve, really, in every aspect. This always comes down to being of service. And anything we put out there, in any interview, in any book, in any song, is really of service to whatever the moment it relates to. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, you're right, saying the right thing to the wrong. And the thing is, you're kind of the only one who can dictate
You know, right and wrong is so opinionated depending on who you talk to.
For sure.
You know, there are a lot of people who think that, you know, anything that we could think is wrong, somebody could argue how it's right. You know, even down to black and white, somebody can argue that this text that says the exact same thing means this thing or this means that thing. You know, so I think it's important to come from a place of understanding.
And this leads to something else I want to talk about, because just because you understand something doesn't mean you have to accept it. Just because you understand it. And that's something that I had to learn the hard way. I thought that I was being this spiritual guy by if I get into a disagreement with someone, understanding where they come from.
And then ultimately turns to me not respecting myself because I'll understand where they're coming from and be like, okay, I get it. But the fact that I still get it, it doesn't mean that I can't express myself and I'm not valid. So I want to make sure that everyone knows that because I think that that was something that I learned is to set boundaries. And that's like that big B word.
That's like the biggest B word there is as boundaries that I've learned this year. And like that has really, really, really changed a lot of dynamics with people. And it changed a lot of, it's really created a lot of happiness in my life.
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