A Look Back at *The* 9/11 Truther Movie
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Why is the 2005 documentary *Loose Change* considered a catalyst for the 9/11 truther movement?
Hey, you're listening to the On the Media Midweek podcast. I'm Michael Loinger. Next Friday will be the 25th anniversary of the attacks of 9-11. On the 20th anniversary, we broadcast a piece I reported called 9-11 Broke Our Brains. At the time, podcast Maven Dan Tobersky had just released a series called 9-12 about what changed in America. the day after the Twin Towers fell. Included was an interview Tabersky did with a documentary filmmaker named Dylan Avery, whose 2005 film Loose Change helped embolden the 9-11 Truther movement.
It's so funny because Loose Change uh and and like 9-11 truthers and all that stuff, for me it was always just a colossal joke.
That's Dan Tabersky, the host of a bunch of podcasts like Missing Richard Simmons, The Line, and most recently 912, a show about what changed in America the day after the Twin Towers fell.
But in going back, I think I was more open-minded and more interested in how many people really did think that something was up with 9-11. It's a lot of people that I know, a lot of people that I respect, huge swathes of the
country. This question, how did so many people come to believe 9-11 was an inside job, is just one of many that Dan tackles on his podcast. But it's the question I was after, which is why I dove right into the episode in his series where he interviews this fascinating guy named Dylan Avery.
First of all, I don't fing know what happened on nine eleven. Second of all, I made it clear to you that I'm not doing this interview to have another one of those conversations that make me feel like I'm still in two thousand and six. Like N nobody is the same person they were fifteen years ago.
How are you different than you were fifteen years ago?
Well, I mean, I'm not a angsty teenager anymore, so that definitely helps.
Well, you're a little angsty. Who is this guy? Why is he so angry at you? He's not so much angry at me, he's just angry at the place that he's been locked into in the culture, I think. He can't escape it. He cannot escape nine eleven.
Avery is the director of a film called Loose Change, which he first posted online for free in 2005.
How did *Loose Change* popularize the idea that the U.S. government orchestrated or allowed 9/11?
Loose Change helped popularize the conspiracy theory that 9-11 was orchestrated, or at the very least, allowed by the Bush administration to justify our misadventures in the Middle East. It's also the first movie to go viral, a remarkable feat considering Avery was a teenager when he started putting it together.
Narrates it himself, edits it himself, directs it. It's super, super indie. The
initial version was pretty rough. He's re-edited the documentary a few times over the years. But the vibe is cool. His presentation just feels so laid back, so matter-of-fact. Nothing but scorching hot evidence set to
French hip hop beats. By that evening, eyewitnesses and experts alike were rushing to defend the official narrative of events, claiming that raging jet fuel fires melted the steel inside the Twin Towers. I saw this plane come out of nowhere and just ream right into the side of the twin tower, exploding through the other side. And then I witnessed both towers collapse, one first and then the second, mostly due to structural failure because the fire was just too intense.
Avery goes on to make the point that a jet fuel fire couldn't have gotten hot enough to melt the metal.
Ten o'clock Eastern time this morning just collapsing on itself. We have no idea what caused this. Almost looks like one of those planned implosions. As if a demolition team set off when you see the old demolitions of these old buildings. It slows it down on itself and it is not.
This became a really popular talking point among so-called 9-11 skeptics, but as many experts have explained since, steel begins to lose its structural integrity well below its melting point. When I first saw Loose Change as a middle schooler, I found this next point the most compelling.
In all the videos of the collapses, explosions can be seen bursting from the building twenty to thirty stories below the demolition wave. Here.
Here. These smaller explosions, he says, resemble the sort of charges used in controlled demolitions.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
Why is the 2005 documentary *Loose Change* considered a catalyst for the 9/11 truther movement?
0:00–2:16
2
How did *Loose Change* popularize the idea that the U.S. government orchestrated or allowed 9/11?
2:16–4:22
3
What scientific explanations debunked the explosion and demolition claims presented in *Loose Change*?
4:22–6:14
4
Why do large‑scale conspiracy theories like the 9/11 truther narrative feel overwhelming to the public?
6:14–8:17
5
How did high‑profile figures such as Mark Cuban and Charlie Sheen become involved in promoting *Loose Change*?
8:17–10:10
6
Does viral misinformation like *Loose Change* cause the rise of fringe theories, or does it simply tap into existing cultural anxieties?
10:10–12:39
7
How did events like Abu Ghraib and the 2004 public polls accelerate the growth of the 9/11 truther movement?
12:39–14:40
8
Why does *Loose Change* represent an early example of the internet breaking our brains, and how does it fit into the larger narrative of media influence?
14:40–16:33