Jessica Tarlov on Winning Arguments and Elections
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How does Jessica Tarlov introduce her role on The Five and her new book?
Is Scott behaving? Do you need any help? No, I don't. Your vibe is very different than our vibe.
Yeah, yeah, I would say
so. I mean, you've been together so long. I'm
new.
New and sparkly some days, but sometimes just not his Kara.
He hates it. He hates the idea that he has to keep coming back to
me. No.
Oh, he does. It's okay. I don't care. I'm very flex. I'm very bendy.
Yeah, that's what I think of when I think of you. So flexible, that Kara
Swisher. Bendy. Bendy is different than flexible.
Hi, everyone, from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. This is On with Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher. Jessica Tarloff says that she has, quote, the coolest job in media for a liberal. This may come as a surprise to a lot of people, including myself. As the lone liberal co-host of The Five on Fox News, she gets interrupted a lot. Nevertheless, she's outspoken and self-assured, presenting arguments based on research and data, and she often... wins the arguments on that show, despite being a four-to-one competition. That makes sense once you find out she has a PhD in political science from the London School of Economics. When she's not working at Fox, Jessica also hosts the podcast Raging Moderates from the Vox Media Podcast Network with my pivot co-host, Scott Galloway.
Now she's got a new book coming out called I Disagree, Winning Arguments Without Losing Friends. In it, she talks about her surprising career path and shares strategies for finding common ground with others during a time of intense polarization. She also offers research-backed insights on elections and political strategy based on her years as a political strategist and pollster. I have wanted to talk to Jess for a long time. I wrote her when she was in arguments with, I think, Jesse Waters, I'm sure, and said, I don't know how you do this, and I've gotten to know her better over the years. I've wanted to have Jess on for a long time. Fox News has not allowed her to come on my podcasts and different things like that.
I don't know why that is, but I'm thrilled to have her here now. I think she's a really smart person in a very difficult situation over there at Fox, and she manages to articulate and win people over. And I find that really interesting, although I don't know how she does it. I would be perplexed every single day and rage, really. I would be raging. And so I really admire it, and I want to hear from her about what she thinks about. She's not a moderate voice exactly, although she is on that show, Raging Moderates, but more of someone who is trying to be more commonsensical. And I think it's important we talk about that. Our expert question today comes from Anthony Scaramucci, founder of SkyBridge Capital, who in 2017, of course, famously spent 10 days as White House communications director.
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Jessica,
thank you for coming on on. Thank you for having me. Finally, I get to talk to you. What is the problem? Why don't they let you talk to me? Kara, we talk all the time. I know we do. I know you're on Scott's podcast. We'll get to that. York podcast with Scott, really. And then you're on Fox, but they never let me at Jessica. She's written this wonderful book. And we're going to talk about getting along, which I have questions about. I know. Questions and skepticism,
I'm sure. Skepticism, yes, exactly. And so, actually, let me start off with that.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
How does Jessica Tarlov introduce her role on The Five and her new book?
0:00–15:14
2
What strategies does Jessica share for winning arguments without losing friends?
15:14–30:02
3
How does Jessica explain the importance of finding common ground in polarized conversations?
30:02–44:27
4
What insights does she give about polling, prediction markets, and reading election trends?
44:27–58:17
5
How does Jessica suggest responding to attacks on trans rights and other cultural issues?
58:17–1:05:15
6
What challenges does she face working at Fox News and how does she navigate them?
1:05:15–1:10:44
7
What does Jessica say about the upcoming midterms and the 2028 election outlook?
1:10:44–1:14:16
8
How does Jessica reflect on her experience with the Raging Moderates podcast and her future plans?
1:14:16–1:14:59
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