How 3 Gamblers Stole Millions From Casinos - Kit Chellel
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What drives gamblers to risk it all in Las Vegas?
Imagine you're a smart guy. You've got a college education. You could do anything you want with your life. Imagine leaving a normal life behind, moving to Vegas, moving into a small apartment with six other dudes, and spending all day counting cards in the casino. It's a weird career choice. So something is making them do this, and something is keeping them in the game for decades at a time. And they describe not the addiction of winning, because they're not addicted to the feeling of making money from a bet. In fact, they switch that part of their brain off. When they win a bet, they feel nothing. That's the whole point. They turn that side of their brain off. What they get a positive feeling from is coming up with a new idea, testing it, quantifying it, taking it into the casino, and then seeing their idea borne out in reality.
That's an incredibly satisfying feeling, especially when you know you're the only one doing it. And then when you walk home at the end of that period, which might take a year, two years, and you've got a million dollars in your pocket, you feel like a superstar.
Welcome to Open Book. I am your host, Anthony Scaramucci. Joining us now is Kit Shillel. Hopefully I pronounce it right, Kit. Don't be mad at me. Author and reporter at Bloomberg, but this book is incredible. The title of the book is Lucky Devils. The true story of three rebel gamblers who beat the odds and changed the game. And I gamble constantly. You know, I just don't gamble at a casino, right? I'm long Bitcoin. I'm buying this thing, buying that thing. I'm putting money in venture. But this is a different form of gambling than I'm used to. And this is a amazing story about a lot of different intersections to things, crime, power, chance, investing. Everything is in here. What drew you to these three gamblers and their world?
I think I was fascinated to discover there are gamblers who apply a sort of scientific, data-driven, statistical mindset to the act of betting on blackjack or roulette wheel or horse racing. Those things always seem... inherently random to me. And I had no idea there was this secret community of people doing genuinely world-class science and pioneering technology for the purposes of making a bet. Now, I don't gamble myself like you, I don't really go in casinos, but I kind of love the idea of people using technology to get an edge.
So Kit, who are these guys? What made them believe they could beat a system And frankly, nobody beats. Everyone loses to this system. These guys say, no, not us. Tell me why.
Yeah, a couple of things. Fundamentally, they are devoted to science. Science is their religion. So if the data is bearing out their belief system, they will believe they can do things that are said to be impossible. And the second thing is this amazing confidence to go to Las Vegas and go, I'm going to be the one that beats the house. Maybe a little bit of arrogance, but certainly like rock solid self-belief.
I think the thing that I always tell people is you don't lose money in a casino if you don't gamble and nobody makes money in a casino. But these guys do, right? So, so it's not, and it's a combination of things, right? It's card counting, early computers, predictive models, you know, take us through some of the methodology. How does, you know, I mean, I mean, I think the roulette wheel is 31 to 35 to one odds against you at the roulette wheel, right?
Yeah, but if you do what I do, my only casino bet whenever I go to a casino is I bet on black at the roulette table. So my chances of winning, basically a coin toss, a little less than 50%. Sounds stupid. Actually, it's not a bad casino bet. But the odds and casinos are designed to be only slightly in the house's favor. The game can't be so unfair that you've got no chance of winning. So they have to balance it quite carefully. They want to win mostly, but they also want to give you hope. And that's kind of the secret for advantage plays because the house edge is small. You only need to be a little bit smarter than average to turn a profit.
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Chapters
5 chapters
1
What drives gamblers to risk it all in Las Vegas?
0:00–7:23
2
How do data-driven strategies change gambling outcomes?
7:23–10:00
3
Who are the key figures in the world of advantage gambling?
10:00–14:26
4
What methodologies do successful gamblers use to gain an edge?
14:26–20:05
5
How has technology influenced the gambling landscape?
20:05–27:34
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