In this episode, Anthony talks with Andrew Kirtzman, political reporter and author of Giuliani: The Rise and Tragic Fall of America's Mayor. At the age of 25 Anthony wrote his first political check to Rudolph Giuliani, the most notable prosecutor of the 80s, the most famous mayor of the 90s and a hero after 9/11. Both Anthony and Andrew admit they looked up to “America’s Mayor,” so where did it all go wrong? Kirtzman walks us through his latest book which details the tragic fall of Giuliani, from once having a 90% approval rating, to being known for his melting hair. Together they discuss Rudy’s upbringing, with a psychiatrist diagnosing his father Harold Giuliani as a “pathological deviant;” Trump’s admiration for Rudy, and their dysfunctional relationship; and Rudy’s famous line, “I don’t care about my legacy, I’ll be dead.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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