Can Humans Adapt to Climate Change? (Encore)
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What is the central question about human adaptation to climate change?
This is open to debate. I'm John Donben. This summer we have seen heat domes scorching the United States, torrential downpours causing flash floods, and blazes in the forests of Canada that raged so out of control the smoke could be seen from space, polluting the air across the Midwest and eastern seaboard to dangerous levels. We are living already in a world changed by climate change. And it begs the question: can or should human Humans adapt to these changes in weather and environment. That's the crux of the debate we're revisiting today. Although it was argued in 2022, the question of where to put our focus on mitigation or adaptation remains a critical question. Let's get to it. In regard to the topic of climate change, a short parable on the words adapt and mitigate.
With apologies to the author of The Three Little Pigs, whoever that might be. Because in that story, when the big bad wolf came for the smart pig, the smart pig was able to retreat to his house, which of course he had made of bricks, and he survives. He knew that the wolf was coming. And by going with bricks, he had adapted. to the impact of what was at his door, which was a wolf huffing and puffing. So he survived by adapting. But what if the smart pig instead had focused more on the cause of the threat and he had just gone outside and shot the damn wolf? Well, then he would have been mitigating the threat by directly addressing the cause. That would be mitigation. Both are important clearly, and that is the choice that we are going to be debating tonight in this debate.
Whether we should be putting more of our effort into adapting to what's coming or more of our effort into mitigating the effects of what's coming. It's not all one or all the other, but where should we be putting more of the effort? What makes the most sense? What will be the trade-offs? So here's our question. Yes or no? Can humans adapt to climate change. Let's meet the people who are gonna debate that question. On the team arguing that the answer is no, we start with Kaveh Medani, head of the research program at United Nations University and former Deputy Head of Iran's Department of Environment. He is appearing here, I want to say, in his personal capacity as a scientist and a university professor, not on behalf of the UN or any government.
His partner, also arguing no, Michelle Wooker, economic policy expert and founder, Gray Rhino and Company.
Again, the question is can humans adapt to climate change? Let's meet the team that says yes. First up, Matthew Kahn, provost professor of economics and spatial sciences at the University of Southern California. And his partner, Bjorn Lomborg, president of Copenhagen Consentance Center and author of False Alarm: How Climate Change Panic Costs Us Trillions, Hurts the Poor, and Fails to Fix the Planet. Ladies and gentlemen, here they are, our four debaters ready to get started. So we are going to go in three rounds, and obviously we begin with round one. And round one is comprised of opening statements by each debater in turn. Here up first to argue yes to the question that humans can adapt to climate change is Matthew Kahn.
Ladies and gentlemen, Matthew Kahn.
Folks, good evening. It's great to be here. Климат чанж і за ріл концер. So why am I so optimistic about our future despite the challenges we face? Climate scientists are making great progress right now, providing pinpoint predictions of the new risks we face, about the timing and the geography of extreme heat, fire risk, sea level rise, flooding, natural disaster risk. As an economist, I celebrate this Paul Revere effect. Paul Revere lived a long time ago. The climate scientists are the new Paul Revere, giving us this heads up about these new challenges we face. Фокс, хаувин таких нео член же. A fundamental idea from economics is that we're not passive victims.
I hope there's some economists in the room tonight. I'm looking around. Oh well a few. A few. I'm married to an economist. My son is training in economics, and I want to convey just a couple of ideas from economics, which is the root source of my optimism and why I ask you to vote in favor of the recommendation tonight.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the central question about human adaptation to climate change?
0:00–7:07
2
How do the pro‑adaptation debaters argue that economics and innovation enable adaptation?
7:07–14:03
3
What evidence do the anti‑adaptation team present about limits to human resilience?
14:03–20:42
4
How do the speakers compare mitigation versus adaptation as policy strategies?
20:42–27:55
5
What ethical and equity concerns arise when choosing between mitigation and adaptation?
27:55–33:05
6
How does the audience question on nuclear power influence the debate?
33:05–38:23
7
What final arguments do each side make in their closing statements?
38:23–43:55
8
What were the audience vote results and what conclusions does the host draw?
43:55–50:26