AI, Control Points, and the Next Wave of Vertical SaaS with Tidemark Capital founder, Dave Yuan
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What is Dave Yuan’s background and how did he get into venture investing?
Particularly I I think about the the bio investors I work with, man, the the progressive ones that that do value the product, that do think about the secular tailwinds, that do think about how you balance growth with with margin, they're
they're gonna clean up.
Welcome to Orbit, the HG podcast series where we talk to successful leaders of technology businesses and hear how they've built some of the most successful software companies across the world. I'm Alan Klein, a partner at HG and head of our North American team. I'm delighted today to be joined by Dave Wan, founder of Tidemark Capital, a growth-oriented investment firm and a community supporter of founders with compelling visions for transformation. software, particularly where human workflows are being arra reimagined by technology. He's definitely a kindred spirit of us here at HG and very relevant given the rapidly changing software landscape we're all involved in today. Dave's unique perspective, built on his combined expertise in different stages of software investment landscape, and frankly his deep curiosity about business has shaped Tidemark's approach.
He's collaborative and long-term rather than being purely financial. He's helped companies scale from growth stage to market leadership. It's an approach that's proven successful investing in a number of great businesses like Service Titan, OneStream, Toast, Carbon, and Clio, among many others. Dave and I have known one another for over a decade and he represents one of my industry colleagues whose insights and perspectives I deeply value. With that, Dave, thank you for being here.
Thanks, Alan. Awesome to be with you.
As we get started, I'd love a little bit of your kind of personal background today and maybe even how you started founding Typark.
Well see, I I got started in technology as a consultant. Uh I I joined Bing and company at an undergrad and uh we did this twelve month turnaround case of a company called Cybase. Cybase had lost the uh the battle to Oracle. Alan, you remember these guys.
Third out of their race for
two. Exactly. But it was a great primer because we went anything from the operating system all the way up to applications. And so that was uh my first exposure to software. And I I I got hooked. I joined a startup and then uh I started my investing career actually at a bio firm. Uh I I got hired in nineteen ninety nine. But then joined in two thousand right in time to catch a bunch of falling knives. So uh we did uh three years of workouts and uh I got to see what happens when the times get tough and and actually how investors and operators handle adversity. So it's actually a great primer. Um I think the probably most formative experience from an investment standpoint was with a fund called TCV. Uh I worked under a guy named Jay Hogue, who was the founder.
And uh and Jay just had this really strong conviction of paying up for category leaders. Category leaders uh surprise you to the upside in terms of how fast they grow, how much they exit for. And so this um this really focus on Um, winning a space and the thematic growth was a great complement to the the bio experience. And so that was my investment history in a in a nutshell. I was at T C V I was a GP there for about fifteen years and then started Tidemark about four years ago.
Maybe a little bit of history on the name, Tidemark, any significance there?
Yeah, well, I think as as as these uh as things go, you start out with a pretty wide range and you get really practical. So Tide Mark is easy to spell, it's easy to pronounce. But um the thing I like about Tide Mark is um it tide mark is the uh the the actual term means either the high or low point where the ocean meets the sand. And we chose the high point, right? So the high point in terms of excellence in terms of um category leadership, but then this intersection concept. Is really cool in the sense that where we invest um primarily in vertical SaaS, it's an intersection of SB software, enterprise software concepts, fintech, consumer.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is Dave Yuan’s background and how did he get into venture investing?
0:05–6:15
2
How did the name “Tidemark” originate and what does it represent?
6:15–11:52
3
What is the Vertical SaaS Knowledge Project and why was it created?
11:52–18:46
4
How does the “control‑point” philosophy define a defensible SaaS business?
18:46–25:17
5
What are workflow, data, and account gravity and how do they drive growth?
25:17–30:45
6
How is AI both an opportunity and a threat for vertical SaaS control points?
30:45–35:52
7
What practical advice does Dave give to SaaS CEOs navigating today’s market?
35:52–40:52
8
What is Tidemark’s vision for the next year and how will it shape the ecosystem?
40:52–47:46
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