The Art of Cross-sell: Peter Sherlock on how the Citation Group built a cross-sell engine
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
A lot of it comes initially from that data. That is the truth. It's not an opinion. It's not it's not subjective. It's this is the opportunity that we have. Three years ago that didn't exist. It's now twenty-five people and we'll go to saw m more like four in the next few months.
Welcome to Orbit, the HG podcast where we speak to leaders and innovators from across the software tech ecosystem to discuss key trends that change how we all do business. Good morning. My name is Chris Kint. I head up HG's Value Creation Team, our support group of 30 dedicated operational experts working with our portfolio companies. Now I've had the pleasure of working with the citation group since 2016. And we're here today to talk about that cross-selling journey. Personally, I think for extremely good reason. I remember just as little as three years ago, there was very little cross-selling. It was mostly accidental and there was certainly no formal capability for us to really point to. But from this standing start, they've set up a cross-setting capability that is now adding north of 10% of revenue each year.
And we saw those numbers already within the first 18 months. And I have had a sneak peek. I also know that there is more to come.
What does the Citation Group do and what markets do they serve?
So it is my pleasure to introduce the architect and the driving force behind all this, citations commercial director, Pete Sherlock. Good morning, Pete.
Hi Chris, good to see you.
So Pete, I I alluded a little bit to the journey that you've been on, but uh maybe just to provide a bit of context uh to our listeners, could you introduce uh what citation group is all about?
Yeah, I uh look, I think I think as a group, we exist to help uh solve SME problems in in the areas of compliance and quality. So whether that's helping solve an SME business owner's HR health and safety problems, helping them go in an accreditation like an ISO or a SSIP accreditation, that's what we exist to do. We exist to free them up from the day-to-day burdens of compliance. to be safe, to be protected, to be well ran, to look after their employees, and also to help them advance their business in turn in in terms of gaining badges of accreditation and quality marks to help them stand out from the competition and really be an exemplar for good businesses in in whatever industry or sector that they're in.
So to kind of, I guess, jump straight in, I mentioned at the beginning and and maybe I was being slightly unfair, but certainly three years ago, I remember our discussions were pretty much with the you and the team being, I guess, at the beginning, right? At the at the starting uh line. So what was it that really kind of triggered this push?
I think it was if if I go back slightly longer than three years ago, um the citation group consisted probably of citation and QMS, which is our ISO certification business. And we would knew that as part of our next growth strategy, MA would play a part. So that our, you know, the clients that we have in our ecosystem was going to get bigger, but also the the products and services. That we had were also going to expand rapidly. You are right in a sense that we'd always done some cross-selling, but it was perhaps more by happy chance or when we got round to having a little bit of a focus on it that we would elicit some results. And we knew that we had effectively in our hands the ability to our clients were always asking for more help and more services.
And when we'd looked at sort of Certain industry specializations, we could see that clients would take more products from us if we talked to them in a consistent, considered manner and joined them up in a way that made sense. So actually, growth is not something to be taken for granted. And I suppose when you suddenly have double the amount of clients that you'd had previously, but you're not looking to, in the nicest sense, exploit that, you're missing a trick. So we got a lot. more serious about we could find a way you know from an NRR perspective if we could find a way to find two three four five percent growth from our existing base before we even went out into the big wide world with better propositions and and and you know slicker acquisition engines you know it it just seemed an obvious thing to do but just something we've not dedicated time to before because I guess prior to HG's investment
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:02–1:10
2
What does the Citation Group do and what markets do they serve?
1:10–6:50
3
What triggered Citation’s shift from opportunistic to strategic cross‑selling?
6:50–11:34
4
How did the team identify white‑space and prioritize cross‑sell opportunities?
11:34–15:54
5
What role did HG’s data and analytics team play in building the cross‑sell engine?
15:54–19:18
6
How did Citation design and launch its inside‑sales “plus‑one” cross‑sell model?
19:18–22:47
7
How are governance, KPIs and executive reporting used to scale cross‑selling?
22:47–24:42
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