Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Welcome to Otherworld. I'm your host, Jack Wagner. This episode features two stories, sort of a double feature, and both stories involve a person seeing an unexplainable creature while they're out in the road. The first one comes from Phoebe in Salt Lake City, and the second one is from a guy named Pat in Kent, Ohio.
Like I said, both of these people witnessed unidentifiable creatures while they're out driving. And I'd say that the things that these people saw seem to be completely different from each other. But what they do have in common is that both of these people described these creatures having a lot of similarities to deer.
The first story comes from Phoebe, who is a hairdresser, and her story takes place when she was out one night driving all by herself in an industrial area of Salt Lake City, trying to clear her mind. It was during this drive that she turned a corner and her headlights hit a group of what she initially thought were teenagers hanging out. But as she kept staring and got closer, she realized
that they had certain features and moved in a certain way that made it clear these things, whatever they were, were definitely not teenagers. This is such a weird story. I'm gonna let Phoebe explain it for herself. This episode is called Deer in the Headlights, and you're listening to Otherworld.
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It's almost frustrating that it's happening. I'm going to die. His limbs were just like, wrong. Everybody moves back into the light, even if it takes them a minute. I'm Phoebe. I grew up in Salt Lake City. Now I live in the city, in Salt Lake. Kind of in this little neighborhood that's off to the side in the west. It's the cutest neighborhood of all time. I love it. And I'm a hairstylist.
I've been doing that for... 13 years or something. And I love it. Salt Lake City, I would say it's not a big city. I've been to, say, Chicago and that walking around, this feels like a big city. But Salt Lake City, I think, is great. kind of, it's maybe a medium city, I would call it. It's definitely not small, like, I don't know, little spots in Wyoming and stuff like that.
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Chapter 2: What unusual creature did Phoebe encounter while driving?
It's definitely, when you want to get to nature, you would drive maybe 20 minutes. any direction and you'll hit mountains. And that's really where the nature is. But down in the city, there's not any huge parks or anything. Our biggest park is more central Salt Lake and it's still pretty urban as far as parks go. So it was April of 2021. It's still kind of COVID time.
I'm back at work at this point. I couldn't work during the lockdown because I'm a hairstylist. So touching people for a living really wasn't the best idea. So we're starting to come out of COVID or lockdown, I should say. And it's still feeling weird. It's still not feeling quite right to spend time with other people.
And I'm definitely still feeling, I think, the depression and the isolation of that time. It also, early 2021 was also just a tough time for me. I was going through a lot of things in my own personal life and was just really emotional all the time. I was getting ready to not live with my
I think we were all starting to get on each other's nerves having been locked all in the house together for so long that we just wanted to kind of get away from each other. And something I was doing a lot at this time that I've kind of always done is when I'm feeling too emotional or anxious, I can't sleep. I've always struggled with sleep.
And so what I will do is get in my car and just drive aimlessly around the and just put on music, and usually sad music so I can cry. Because sometimes to get these emotions out, instead of just laying in bed and trying to pretend that everything's okay, I can just go in the comfort of my own car, put on my sad music and cry.
This night, I'm laying in bed and I'm just keep thinking about all of these things that I have going on with me and my family and all these personal things. I'm feeling really anxious about facing the day tomorrow. I just feel like I I don't want to, I just have this anxiety in my heart and I can't sleep once again.
And I keep laying there trying to, and finally I realized I'm not gonna be able to sleep. So to get all of this energy out, I'm gonna get in my car, I'm gonna put on my sad music and I'm gonna just drive around in the neighborhood. This was probably around midnight.
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Chapter 3: How did Phoebe describe the creature's appearance and behavior?
I usually would wait until I knew that everybody else in the house was asleep, or at least hope everyone else in the house was asleep so I wouldn't wake them up, or I wouldn't bother them by leaving and shutting the door. My dog at the time was really mellow, so I would leave her behind and she would just sleep in my bed.
But I wanted to make sure there weren't other people wandering around the house so she would poke her head up and try to get out of my bedroom. So it was probably around midnight. I get into my car and I put on my sad girl playlist, driving around aimlessly. I know these neighborhoods really well. I've lived in this house for three years at that point.
So I'm super familiar with these neighborhoods. Also my dog at the time, I would take her on walks all the time, long walks, especially again, during that COVID lockdown, we were going on a lot of walks.
Chapter 4: What feelings did Phoebe experience during her encounter?
So I got to know this neighborhood really well. So I'm just kind of swinging my car around, driving slowly, turning into whatever neighborhood feels good. No aim in sight, just trying to get my feelings out, trying to cry to some sad music, It's warming up.
It's not quite warm in Salt Lake yet, but I have my windows down a little for a breeze, just trying to calm myself so that I can try to get some sleep that night. And when I am in insomnia mode, I'm wide awake. So I'm pretty alert on these drives.
When I go on these drives and I listen to my sad music, I'm really just trying to clear my head enough so these racing thoughts aren't keeping me up anymore. Trying to break myself out of the thought loop cycle. But I'm very aware and I'm very awake. I definitely wouldn't get behind the wheel if I was really, really tired. I turn into this neighborhood. I'm envisioning myself there right now.
I start to turn into this neighborhood and my headlights before they hit the road I'm about to turn to. I see this group of what I thought at first glance was a bunch of teenagers. And I was thinking to myself like, oh, it's a bunch of teens out late together kind of messing around. I think there was probably about six of them.
thoughts as I'm turning in is just like, okay, you know, as you're turning down this road, be careful and make sure that they're crossing the street, not running in front of your car, whatever. I turn and my headlights hit them and they all freeze and stare at me like deer in headlights, quite literally. And then it's at this point that I realized that they actually kind of look like deer.
I felt my heart drop. And like the blood came out of my face, that cold fear feeling where your heart just stops and you almost can't catch your breath and you feel cold for a second. They were all really tall, long limbs. They definitely had human-like faces. It wasn't long and stretched out like... A deer?
It was like a human being, but they had skin, but the way they were standing looked like if a deer is standing on its hind legs. They were holding their arms kind of weird. The way they acted, they acted like deer. They froze when my headlights turned and they stared into my headlights for about a second. The way they moved was like if deer were moving on their hind legs. Their eyes...
kind of glowed in the headlights for a second, like a deer. So it was like a human being had almost been stretched over a deer body And they was acting like a deer, but it looked like a human, except for really, really long limbs.
It was when my headlights hit them and they paused and we had that second interaction where we were sort of looking at each other, where I realized, oh my God, these things are maybe seven feet tall and their limbs are so long. And this is not a human being. And there's about six of them. some or at least one of them had their arms as if it's a deer standing on its hind legs.
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Chapter 5: What similarities did Phoebe draw between the creatures and deer?
They all scatter, and the way they go is they bound away. I've seen deer my whole life. Growing up in Utah, there's deer everywhere. I mean, there's just deer everywhere. They're unavoidable. And so the way these creatures, cryptids, moved was like deer... but on their hind legs.
So if you've seen deer run off, they do this hopping thing where they sort of hop on both sets of their legs and they'll hop, hop, hop, and go away into the meadow or whatever. So it's like they were doing that, but just on a pair of hind legs. There's some...
type of gazelle or something that I've seen video of where I think it's either trying to like get some leaves or fight something and it's hopping on its hind legs but the way the hind legs move and the I guess what would be the knee part bends is like kind of freaky looking. I mean, they're just weird shaped creatures.
And this is what this felt like, is they're doing this high hop off of these hind legs, bounding away, but keeping their top part up, not using all fours. They hop away, all of them, and they all kind of scatter different directions. But the ones I was watching hop away on these back legs, bound away, jump up into the air, probably... about six feet into the air.
And then they jump and disappear down behind these hedges. The hedges are maybe four feet tall. And they're in front of this company building that's in this neighborhood that I'm driving down. They're like for decoration or something. They're not overgrown. They're actually perfectly manicured little square hedges. And they jump up, land down behind the bushes, and I can't see them at all anymore.
For them to completely disappear, they would have had to be lying flat on their stomach area, an army crawling through these bushes, which based on the shape of them, I wouldn't think they could really do.
And I sat there for a couple of seconds after this entire thing happened, trying to process what on earth has just happened to me, what I have just witnessed, which felt really like I probably shouldn't have seen this. And I didn't see them at all anymore. They were completely gone. And I just was thinking, oh, God. What have I seen? What has happened to me?
Because I just was trying to have a night to get my feelings out, go home and feel better. And now I've seen something I can never explain. I feel the blood come out of my face. I feel that cold fear feeling. And before I had turned, I thought they were a group of kids. I thought it was a group of teenagers.
And I even kind of thought to myself in my sad brain, oh, that's nice that these kids have friends and they're having a nice night with their friends. I even, if they were deer, I think I would have been a little shocked for a moment because... as there is deer that wander down, I mean, you don't see them every day.
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